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Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

The Great Zaganza said:
it's telling that only one side ever gets the benefit of the doubt
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What on earth are you talking about? Most of this thread is people bending over backwards to give Iran the benefit of the doubt.

And considering that they're theocratic fascists who kill women for not covering their heads and spread international terrorism, why should I give them the benefit of the doubt? They don't deserve it.
 
also, ◊◊◊◊ motives - Trump has access to the best intelligence in the world, and has been made aware of the possible consequences.

No amount of "Best Intentions" matter when he started another war with devastating consequences for the US and its allies on the flimsiest of chances that he might delay a program for a decade longer than it was already delayed.

Stop making up ◊◊◊◊ to justify the unjustifiable.
 
jeremyp said:
You don't seem to understand Occam's razor. The most common version is something like "do not multiply entities beyond necessity". Basically, you should prefer the simpler explanation but not if the simpler explanation doesn't account for all the facts.
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As someone who has spent his whole adult life developing statistical models, I can assure you that I understand Occam's Razor quite well.
 
UK navy says vessel seized off UAE coast and heading for Iran - https://giftarticle.ft.com/giftarticle/actions/redeem/948e6e3e-40c3-4507-a633-b22a13fe1d45 via @FT

The UK’s navy said on Thursday that a ship had been seized off the coast of the United Arab Emirates and was heading towards Iranian waters.

The UK Maritime Trade Operations Centre said the vessel was anchored 38 nautical miles north-east of Fujairah, one of the seven emirates that make up the UAE, when it was taken by “unauthorised personnel”. It provided no details about the ship, saying it was investigating the incident.
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Guardian report

Iran says ships entering strait of Hormuz must cooperate after vessel seized
Docked ship reportedly seized outside UAE port by “unauthorised personnel”

The Iranian foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, has said ships entering the strait of Hormuz must cooperate with the Iranian navy as reports emerged of a ship being seized outside a United Arab Emirate port and taken towards Iranian waters.

www.theguardian.com

Iran says ships entering strait of Hormuz must cooperate after vessel seized

Docked ship reportedly seized outside UAE port by “unauthorised personnel”
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Sure you do.

BERMAN: How much longer is it gonna cost you $100 to fill up your truck?

REP. ALFORD: We have control over the Strait of Hormuz right now. Things have improved.

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GILLIBRAND: If Iranians were warned, how did we bomb 22 schools?

ADM COOPER: There's no indication that we have that's been corroborated

GILLIBRAND: How many schools have we bombed?

COOPER: There's one active civilian casualty investigation

GILLIBRAND: So how do you explain publicly available information that 22 schools have been hit and multiple hospitals?

COOPER: There's no way we can corroborate that

GILLIBRAND: Have you investigated those claims?

COOPER: We have not

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I thought retrieving the uranium was the important thing?

Trump on retrieving enriched uranium in Iran: "I don't think it's necessary except from a public relations standpoint. I think it's important for the fake news that we get it. I'm the one that said we are going to get it."

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Sounds like what he's saying is that the once-vital and all-important task of recovering Iran's uranium seems like a bit of a difficult, expensive chore now he has to actually do it and he really can't be bothered, except he's told the world he was going to do it, so he's kinda stuck.
 
Total military victory

Treason!

Trump to NYT's David Sanger: "I had a total military victory. But the fake news, guys like you, write incorrectly. You're a fake guy. We had a total military victory. I actually think it's sort of treasonous what you write. You should be ashamed of yourself. I actually think it's treason."
 
Q: Have you rejected the latest proposal from Iran?

TRUMP: I looked at it, and if I don't like the first sentence I just throw it away

Q: What was the first sentence

TRUMP: An unacceptable sentence. If they have any nuclear in any form, I don't read the rest

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Just a few minutes ago it was a total military victory and treason to say otherwise

Trump on Iran: "We sort of finished militarily, pretty much. Probably 75%. We didn't finish every one of the things. We'll go back and finish them off. And, by the way, more than that."

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Q: You saw the reporting on Iran's missile capability, missile launchers that have remained. Is that accurate?

TRUMP: It's New York Times fake news. The missile launchers are probably 80% gone.

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