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Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

The paper you have just posted concerns accumulated damage caused to old photographs displayed in museums, by their long term exposure to daylight, in particular its ultraviolet component. It's rather obviously not relevant here. Why did you think it was worth posting?
It's not as if she can demonstrate a proper understanding of anything else she's posted in this thread. So far we see ignorance of:
  1. Apollo photography cataloguing and distribution,
  2. exposure settings required for photographing stars,
  3. mechanics of orbital rendezvous,
  4. the difference between minutes and seconds,
  5. falloff from studio lighting,
  6. physics of balance and vestibular capacity.
I'm sure this list will grow daily.

Yes, over a long time old photographs displayed where sunlight can fall on them will fade. This has been common knowledge amongst archivists for as long as I can remember. I would ordinarily say we need a scientific paper to tell us this in the same way we need a chemist to tell us water is wet. But of course the goal there is to quantify the effect and scrutinize the physical and chemical mechanisms. This would inform conservation and restoration exercises.

In the kind of photography the paper descries (black-and-white printmaking), the silver salts react to light and subsequent chemistry by shedding their silver so that it can turn back into metallic silver. It's the metallic silver itself that becomes the pigment you see in the print. What the paper found was that UV light causes the metallic silver to oxidize. Silver oxides and silver sulfides aren't the right color to be pigments. This is what creates the bluish haze on these old pints.

Instead, color reversal photography (color slides) is a dye-coupled process. Silver salts couple with dyes and fix the dyes into the emulsion layer (one for each primary color) proportional to the light-sensitive silver-salt reduction process. During development, the metallic silver, the remaining silver salts, and the unused dyes are washed away, leaving only the dyes that were photochemically coupled and fixed. There's no silver to react with the UV and oxidize.

That said, UV will certainly react also with dyes and cause them to fade and shift hue. Also, the dyes shift for other reasons having nothing to do with UV. If you leave a color slide out in the sun, it will fade and shift. It will also shift sitting in a dark, temperature-controlled room. This is just the nature of dyes.

All of that is still an archivist's discussion. It's what happens over years of exposure in finished photography. Allen is trying to talk about what he thinks would happen relatively instantaneously. Allen claims unfiltered solar UV will "fog" the film. And indeed newbie photographers often ask why their outdoor photographs look hazy and blue. The instructor will tell them it's because of ultraviolet light and recommend a UV filter—cheap and effective.

It's important to know why and how this happens. UV light scatters in air more readily than longer wavelengths. When UV light comes down, the atmosphere preferentially redirects it (scatters it) in all directions, including horizontally outward and into your camera lens. It does this with visible blue light too, which is why the sky is blue as seen from Earth. You can't see the UV wavelength, but your film can. Without some correction, the film will respond to UV light preferentially in the blue-sensitive emulsion layer. You lose contrast (i.e., the photo is hazy) because the scatter is coming into the lens from all directions, so it affects the entire field of view even in spots where the desired image isn't especially blue.

Film manufacturers correct for a certain expected amount of UV by adding a UV filtration layer on top of the emulsion. Those of us who photograph at higher altitudes where there is less atmospheric UV attenuation need filters because the UV-blocking layer isn't enough. There's a sour spot up in the mountains where there remains enough air to scatter the UV but less air to absorb it an remove it from the photography equation.

Now the punchline.

This only happens when you have an atmosphere. You don't have one of those on the Moon. To be sure, objects that you photograph will be reflecting and scattering more UV than usual, because you have absolutely no UV attenuation in the lunar environment. But that's easily corrected, and doesn't affect the whole field of view. Remember the UV-blocking layer on the actual film I mentioned above? You just spray that layer on a little thicker. Problem solved. But it is hilarious that Allen knows so little about photography that he doesn't actually know why UV-uncorrected photos appear foggy and why that wouldn't happen on the Moon.
 
Collins had a camera.
Collins shot a roll of color 70 mm film and two rolls of black-and-white 70 mm film. On other missions, other CMPs took many more photos. And in the J-type missions, a bay of the service module was fitted with a spy camera borrowed from the CIA to take ultra high resolution photos of the lunar surface for mapping purposes. During the trip back, the CMP did an EVA with one of the lunar surface OPSes (the backup to the PLSS) to retrieve the film magazine.

Because Apollo 11 was quick, only one surface-modified Hasselblad was provided, and only one magazine. They didn't want to bother with sending multiple cameras out through the hatch on the rather hacky rope conveyor, nor did they want to mess with changing magazines. Armstrong was assigned most of the photo duties because he was the most skilled photographer. Another regular Hasselblad was in the LM, but it was only used inside the spaceship. Both Aldrin and Armstrong used this camera while inside the LM cabin.

In all later missions, both the commander and LMP had a surface-modified Hasselblad and several additional magazines and battery packs. In the J-type mission a 500 mm telephoto lens was included. This was the only time the lenses were changed. All the rest of the 70 mm photography used the 50 mm f/5.6 Zeiss Biogon.
 
I missed this whole thread until today and the video has been taken down, so I am unable to view this "anomaly". I'm sure from reading the comments another case of mis understood video analysis and not understanding film technology of the 60's.
 
I missed this whole thread until today and the video has been taken down, so I am unable to view this "anomaly". I'm sure from reading the comments another case of mis understood video analysis and not understanding film technology of the 60's.
The video is still there, I watched it 5 minutes ago. You have to watch it via Youtube, though, not within the forum.
 
I missed this whole thread until today and the video has been taken down, so I am unable to view this "anomaly". I'm sure from reading the comments another case of mis understood video analysis and not understanding film technology of the 60's.
Spoiler alert: contains nothing you hadn't heard 15-20 years ago or more.
 
To be fair it was made 23 years ago so that's a given! But it's interesting for those of us who frequent this forum to put a face to the (written) voice. Well, a face sans powdered wig!
My bad, I thought I saw a 2026 release date on it, presumably with older work incorporated.
 
I'm smiling at the fact that Vixen was so ignorant of the topic when she started this thread, she didn't know Michael Collins' name and referred to him as "the third guy who stayed inside the capsule". How is it possible to have any sort of interest in or curiosity about the moon landings, yet think of Michael Collins as "the third guy" and not know his name? How incurious to not even Google his name before going online and calling him "the third guy"?
 
I'll look later, it just said unavailable, so I quit looking/searching.
In my browser, I see a "Watch on YouTube" link below the message telling me the video is unavailable. If you see that, then clicking it should open up a new tab, playing the video on the YouTube site.
 
I'm smiling at the fact that Vixen was so ignorant of the topic when she started this thread, she didn't know Michael Collins' name and referred to him as "the third guy who stayed inside the capsule".
We're all new at something. But part of being new at something is realizing that you're new, and that a topic as prominent and well-studied as the Apollo space missions might be well understood already by people around you. Why you would then go in with full bluster and demand that some fairy tale you made up is incontrovertible fact defies reason. Some conspiracy theorists genuinely do believe that everyone is as ignorant on every subject as they are, and therefore that they can bluff their way along with full immunity.

How incurious to not even Google his name before going online and calling him "the third guy"?
I can see how an honest person would gloss over what might seem an irrelevant detail in order to get to the important claim of the spacecraft's computers being allegedly too weak to fly a rendezvous. But I can't see why you wouldn't first go see if your important claim already has a readily available answer. If I type into Gemini, "How did the Apollo lunar module rendezvous in lunar orbit with such a weak computer?" I get a reasonably accurate description.

Now someone unfamiliar with computers or space travel might still have some lingering followup questions. But to ask the question in a tone that suggests no one knows the answer, or that the proffered answer would be unsatisfying, is arrogant and rude.

And there's something to be said for entering every new topic by going straight for the conspiracy theorists.

Every.
Single.
Time.

Marcus Allen wasn't even trying to portray himself as a dispassionate journalist. He said, effectively, "I publish a magazine full of sensationalized stories for people who like to read that stuff." And even when the conspiracy authors are fully debunked, for some reason some people just keep a candle lit for them and defend them against all sanity.
 
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.Marcus Allen wasn't even trying to portray himself as a dispassionate journalist. He said, effectively, "I publish a magazine full of sensationalized stories for people who like to read that stuff." And even when the conspiracy authors are fully debunked, for some reason some people just keep a candle lit for them and defend them against all sanity.

It's because they're totally ripping off REO Speedwagon
 

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