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Coming 'at the detriment of a majority', as you put it, is a feature, not a bug. It's what representative democracy always does and is supposed to do, thus it's not an imperfection of democracy. It is democracy, it's what you consider to be democracy.
It's not a comparison. It doesn't need a comparison. It is what it is.
It enables rulers to rule without having to take into account the will of the people for the next four, five, six or how many years. The will of the people becomes irrelevant as soon as the people has cast its votes and elected representatives, i.e. handed its will over to them. Those representatives now make the decisions, they are now the ones who decide what the will of the people was when the people voted.
What the will of the people is now is irrelevant as long as the people accepts the procedure. If it no longer does, which sometimes happens, it's called a revolution.
As it is in the current circumstances, the owners of the means of production decided that the old-fashioned representative democracy no longer served their interests enough and they managed to get Trump elected 'at the detriment of a majority'.

What I Learned about Billionaires at Jeff Bezo's Private Retreat (The Atlantic, April 20, 2026)
From a thread at bsky.

Peter Thiel Is Taking a Break from Democracy (The Atlantic, Nov 9, 2023)

Peter Thiel, Would-Be Philosopher King, Takes on Democracy (The Jacobin, Oct 6, 2025)

The American way of life goes MAGA: More power to the President to make America great again (RuthlessCriticism/GS 4-2025)
With the same objective with which Trump cultivates the support of the MAGA movement, he approaches the constitutional government apparatus. Its rules and procedures do not apply per se to the representative of the people, who has been empowered precisely to put an end to “business as usual” in politics because the allies and opponents within the divided government apparatus are the problem in the first place. Trump has promised an unrelenting and unrestrained fight against them and their bastions in the constitutional government apparatus – and the king-like democrat is keeping his word. He does not shy away from the fascist transition that every democracy provides for when the nation’s cause itself is suffering acutely from the restrictions imposed on the nation’s supreme leader: The nation needs an anti-establishment Caesar who champions the sole true right of the strongest – with ruthless crackdowns on any resistance, with the removal of all protective walls behind which it hides and feels safe. In this respect, it is not Trump who has to prove himself in accordance with the procedures prescribed by the rule of law, but the other way around. In their respective readiness to serve the people’s president and the savior of the nation in its time of need, all members of the state apparatus organized under the rule of law must prove themselves to be freely usable instruments of his power:
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dann said:
As it is in the current circumstances, the owners of the means of production decided that the old-fashioned representative democracy no longer served their interests enough and they managed to get Trump elected 'at the detriment of a majority'.
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Are you actually this clueless, or is this just a convenient lie? The "owners of the means of production" did not get Trump elected. They are not his base of support.
 
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dann said:
So let's see your documentation for your claim if this isn't "just a convenient lie."
Here is mine for just one of the five billionaires, Trump's friend in the YouTube photo:
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There are a lot more than 5 billionaires in the US. Most of them back Democrats.
 
Authoritarian, oligarchy etc. don't even pretend to act in the interest of anyone but an elite.
Democracy, if executed well, will benefit different groups at various times, hopefully ensuring that no one will fall too far behind.
 
Ziggurat said:
There are a lot more than 5 billionaires in the US.
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Yes, it seems there are almost a thousand billionaires in the US.

Ziggurat said:
Most of them back Democrats.
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Evidence for that claim would be welcome.

I went through Forbes's December 2025 list of the 25 wealthiest Americans, and tried to classify each. In my opinion,
  • 6 have a history of mostly supporting Democrats
  • 8 have a history of mostly supporting Republicans
  • 11 were hard for me to classify. Some are apolitical, some have a history of supporting both Democrats and Republicans, and several are politically active but their political leanings are just plain weird.
Warren Buffet, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, Lukas Walton, and Jacqueline Mars have mostly supported Democrats.

Elon Musk, Larry Ellison, Stephen Schwarzman, Jeff Yass, Thomas Peterffy, Charles Koch, Kenneth C Griffin, and Miriam Adelson have mostly supported Republicans.

I was unable to classify Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, Michael Dell, Jensen Huang, Steve Balmer, Alice Walton, Jim Walton, Rob Walton, Julia Koch, and John Franklyn Mars. The first three of those have been politically active in idiosyncratic ways, the next three have been fairly apolitical, and the rest have last names that appear within one of the other two lists but have made an effort to avoid being personally associated with the politics of their relatives.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Authoritarian, oligarchy etc. don't even pretend to act in the interest of anyone but an elite.
Democracy, if executed well, will benefit different groups at various times, hopefully ensuring that no one will fall too far behind.
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That is the ideology of representative democracy. The reality looks very different, as mentioned in post 2,000.
When people fall much too far behind, it's not because it isn't "executed well." As I've said before (post 2,002), it's a feature of representative democracy, not a bug. Take a look at Wikipedia's excessive (!) receipts!
 
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W.D.Clinger said:
Yes, it seems there are almost a thousand billionaires in the US.


Evidence for that claim would be welcome.

I went through Forbes's December 2025 list of the 25 wealthiest Americans, and tried to classify each. In my opinion,
  • 6 have a history of mostly supporting Democrats
  • 8 have a history of mostly supporting Republicans
  • 11 were hard for me to classify. Some are apolitical, some have a history of supporting both Democrats and Republicans, and several are politically active but their political leanings are just plain weird.
Warren Buffet, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, Lukas Walton, and Jacqueline Mars have mostly supported Democrats.

Elon Musk, Larry Ellison, Stephen Schwarzman, Jeff Yass, Thomas Peterffy, Charles Koch, Kenneth C Griffin, and Miriam Adelson have mostly supported Republicans.

I was unable to classify Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, Michael Dell, Jensen Huang, Steve Balmer, Alice Walton, Jim Walton, Rob Walton, Julia Koch, and John Franklyn Mars. The first three of those have been politically active in idiosyncratic ways, the next three have been fairly apolitical, and the rest have last names that appear within one of the other two lists but have made an effort to avoid being personally associated with the politics of their relatives.
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And of the six that support Democrats, all of them will be giving money disproportionally, if ot exclusively, to the furthest right parts of the party.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
Yes, it seems there are almost a thousand billionaires in the US.


Evidence for that claim would be welcome.

I went through Forbes's December 2025 list of the 25 wealthiest Americans, and tried to classify each. In my opinion,
  • 6 have a history of mostly supporting Democrats
  • 8 have a history of mostly supporting Republicans
  • 11 were hard for me to classify. Some are apolitical, some have a history of supporting both Democrats and Republicans, and several are politically active but their political leanings are just plain weird.
Warren Buffet, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, Lukas Walton, and Jacqueline Mars have mostly supported Democrats.

Elon Musk, Larry Ellison, Stephen Schwarzman, Jeff Yass, Thomas Peterffy, Charles Koch, Kenneth C Griffin, and Miriam Adelson have mostly supported Republicans.

I was unable to classify Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, Michael Dell, Jensen Huang, Steve Balmer, Alice Walton, Jim Walton, Rob Walton, Julia Koch, and John Franklyn Mars. The first three of those have been politically active in idiosyncratic ways, the next three have been fairly apolitical, and the rest have last names that appear within one of the other two lists but have made an effort to avoid being personally associated with the politics of their relatives.
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pretty good clue is who showed up to trump’s inauguration
 
dann said:
I asked you for documentation:
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That's nice. You didn't provide any, so why should I?

Oh, you provided a link showing a couple of billionaires supported Trump in 2024. But that wasn't your claim. Your actual claim is something you never provided any documentation for. Furthermore, Musk was actually against Trump during the 2016 Republican primaries. The billionaire class, or more specifically in regards to your claim, the owners of the means of production, are not and have never been Trump's base of support. Keep in mind that Trump is very much not part of the Republican establishment, and clashes with them frequently.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
again, in comparison to what?
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Again: "It's not a comparison. It doesn't need a comparison. It is what it is."
Look at what the thing itself is! Why do want to compare it with something it isn't?!
dann said:
Coming 'at the detriment of a majority', as you put it, is a feature, not a bug. It's what representative democracy always does and is supposed to do, thus it's not an imperfection of democracy. It is democracy, it's what you consider to be democracy.
It's not a comparison. It doesn't need a comparison. It is what it is.
It enables rulers to rule without having to take into account the will of the people for the next four, five, six or how many years. The will of the people becomes irrelevant as soon as the people has cast its votes and elected representatives, i.e. handed its will over to them. Those representatives now make the decisions, they are now the ones who decide what the will of the people was when the people voted.
What the will of the people is now is irrelevant as long as the people accepts the procedure. If it no longer does, which sometimes happens, it's called a revolution.
As it is in the current circumstances, the owners of the means of production decided that the old-fashioned representative democracy no longer served their interests enough and they managed to get Trump elected 'at the detriment of a majority'.

What I Learned about Billionaires at Jeff Bezo's Private Retreat (The Atlantic, April 20, 2026)
From a thread at bsky.

Peter Thiel Is Taking a Break from Democracy (The Atlantic, Nov 9, 2023)

Peter Thiel, Would-Be Philosopher King, Takes on Democracy (The Jacobin, Oct 6, 2025)
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Ziggurat said:
That's nice. You didn't provide any, so why should I?

Oh, you provided a link showing a couple of billionaires supported Trump in 2024. But that wasn't your claim. Your actual claim is something you never provided any documentation for. Furthermore, Musk was actually against Trump during the 2016 Republican primaries. The billionaire class, or more specifically in regards to your claim, the owners of the means of production, are not and have never been Trump's base of support. Keep in mind that Trump is very much not part of the Republican establishment, and clashes with them frequently.
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Elmo may have been against Trump in 2016, but he sure as hell wasn't in 2024 when he bought him the election.
I don't know which planet you're living on or in which timezone, but things have changed since 2016. In 2026, Trump and his cronies are the Republican establishment.
And you still haven't delivered any documentation for or even probabilization of your claims. You're are pulling everything out of your ass.
 
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