I doubt their ability to hit anything in that state.
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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VIII
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turingtest
Mistral, mistral wind...
That is classic- so on brand for a CTist to present one of their crack-pot notions and then demand the evidence that "excludes" it before they've shown any evidence to support it. What is about you guys that makes you so resistant to the concept of "burden of proof"? Do you just not understand the idea, or is it that you do understand but find it necessary to ignore so you can pretend your scenarios have some weight equal to the ones you oppose?Classic
Where did you get the certainty that the shell casings had not been tampered with? What evidence excludes this?
Also, where on Earth did you get the idea that the James Tague curb mark was "there before the assassination"?
Axxman300
Philosopher
Weird, it's almost as if you didn't read the link:
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It's a fragment from the head-shot. We pointed this out repeatedly in the past. The claim that it was an intact round came from a reporter, not an expert. The 6.5x52mm round is long, and it tore itself up by cavitating in JFK's head. Parts of the round nicked the windshield, and fragments ended up on the floor of the front passenger seat.
This also blows your "under powered round" theory out of the water.
Axxman300
Philosopher
Oh, and while it's not a major conspiracy, the current administrations DODGE lunatics have gutted the National Archives, including taking down online resources for the JFK Assassination. Seems Oswald won.
HSienzant
Philosopher
Hilarious!
You clearly don't understand English well enough to understand what the Warren Commission said.
You quote the appropriate passage, but as always, mischaracterize it. The Warren Commission concluded, as you quoted: "The mark on the curb could have originated from the lead core of a bullet but the absence of copper precluded "the possibility that the mark on the curbing section was made by an unmutilated military full metal-jacketed bullet..."
PRECLUDE: "prevent from happening; make impossible."
You might be thinking that "preclude" is synonymous with "include", it is not. It is synonymous with "exclude".
The Warren Commission clearly said it was NOT possible that the mark was made by a unmutilated round fired from Oswald's rifle, yet you claim you "...don't know why the Warren Commission allowed the public to hold the misconception that the curb mark was caused by a whole bullet strike."
The Commission didn't allow for that. The Warren Commission specifically eliminated that possibility. That they allowed for that possibility is your fanciful misconception only.
When I read your stuff, as I have pointed out multiple times before, it reminds me of the comedic magician I saw as a youngster who would perform a magic trick, then "inadvertently" reveal how it was done. You quite frequently do much the same in your posts.
EDIT: I see Axxman already rebutted this by pointing out you appear to have not the link.
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HSienzant
Philosopher
Please don't speak for me. I haven't seen any evidence of that. You still appear from here to be a conspiracy theorist who reads only conspiracy claptrap and echoes it here.
Axxman300
Philosopher
Oliver Stone responded to conspiracy theories about his movie: JFK being muted as far as a possible Israeli involvement (which is hilarious):
bknight
Master Poster
It is amusing that Stone is quoting history and projecting to the current "war". This isn't 53 BC. And it true that the US assisted in the coup that put the Shah of Iran into power. However, that regime was toppled by a more unfriendly government. Iran is not an innocent target as they have been the aggressor since Iraq was decapitated. Iran has been attempting to build nuclear weapons for years, did the US or Isreal force them to build weapon grade plutonium?
Andy_Ross
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Axxman300
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You know, I'd move to Florida and run for congress if I could lower my IQ by 130 points.
This "Film" has been around for years, and has been debunked since the 1970s. The guy they claim is Oswald is Billy Nolan Lovelady:
Billy Nolan Lovelady
Billy Nolan Lovelady was born in Myrtle Springs, Texas, on 19th February, 1937. He worked as a farm labourer until finding employment in the Texas School Book Depository in December, 1961.
spartacus-educational.com
This is just a fringe reset by another nutjob.
bknight
Master Poster
He does resemble LHO, at least to me.
Axxman300
Philosopher
He does look like LHO, but he produced the same shirt he wore that day. This should have ended this theory...but there you go...
smartcooky
Penultimate Amazing
To me too, and it would be hard to tell the diffence in a grainy 1960's amateur photo takes from some distance away.
MicahJava
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Okay Axxman, so are you just posting false confused information to lure replies because you're lonely? Surely you must know the difference between Lovelady and Prayer Man. Prayer Man was standing behind Lovelady. First the chipped curbstone, now this? You aren't stupid, your brain is a supercomputer, you just have a motivation to pretend to be stupid.
kookbreaker
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Using the quote feature might help people figure out what the hell you are babbling about.
bknight
Master Poster
If you had read and comprehended all of the post recently, you will find that Axxman was responding to a post that indicate a representative from Fla. had a film that "showed LHO standing nearby JFK when the shots were fired. Axxman merely posted this film had been around since the 70's and had long been debunked, rather like the nonsense that you post debunked long ago.
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Axxman300
Philosopher
Loser says what?
HSienzant
Philosopher
MicahJava above isn't referring to the Altgens' photograph, which was debunked decades ago, but to a even more grainy film taken by James Darnell from the press car behind the President's vehicle as the press car went by the Depository. True to form, once one theory is debunked, the CTs come up with another one.
If you skip ahead to 6:28 in the below, you can see the Allen film of the man in the doorway. The person in question is on the left side of the doorway (from the camera's POV) and back in the shadows. To me, it's way too grainy and indistinct to be identified as anyone specifically.
But we can eliminate Oswald as the image in the shadows from Oswald's own statements:
Because, when interviewed on camera by newsmen, Oswald put himself in the building at the time of the assassination, not outside watching the assassination:
Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series
An investigative biography examining the life and enduring mysteries of the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
www.pbs.org
1st REPORTER: Did you kill the president?
LEE HARVEY OSWALD: No, sir, I didn’t. People keep— [crosstalk ] Sir?
1st REPORTER: Did you shoot the president?
LEE HARVEY OSWALD: I work in that building.
1st REPORTER: Were you in the building at the time?
LEE HARVEY OSWALD: Naturally, if I work in that building, yes, sir.
When interviewed by Bill Fritz, Oswald said he was in the building eating his lunch:
"I asked him what part of the building he was in at the time the President was shot, and he said he he was having his lunch about that time on the first floor."
In a later interview on Sunday morning, before the aborted transfer, Harry Holmes provided a document to the FBI about what Oswald said about his movements:
"When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated 'You go on down and end the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes." Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went downstairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that 'he is one of our employees' where upon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building. I don't recall that anyone asked why he left or where or how he went. I just presumed that this had been covered in an earlier questioning."
Note that according to this document, Oswald once again puts himself in the building (on an upper floor!) when the assassination occurred, and Oswald said he left the building without any mention of eating any lunch.
Clearly, Oswald couldn't keep his stories straight, contradicting his earlier statement to Fritz.
And it is important to note that at no time did Oswald claim he was outside the building, on the front steps, during the assassination. He always put himself inside the building.
All this was pointed out to MichaJava in the past when we discussed the Altgens photo and the Allen film, but he pretends to not know about any of Oswald's own statements.
This "prayerman" nonsense is just another Hail Mary attempt by desperate conspiracy theorists willing to try anything to absolve Oswald, but to finish the analogy, their quarterback gets sacked before he can throw the ball, fumbles, and has it returned for a touchdown by the defense.
Hank
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mikegriffith1
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I should mention that two accounts of Oswald's interrogation report that he said he went to the front steps of the building to watch the motorcade. It was after that when he went to get a Coke from the second-floor lunchroom.
Axxman300
Philosopher
Except Oswald was up on the 6th floor shooting JFK. What he told police changed depending on whom he was talking to.