Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[acbytesla]

But you know that there has never been this level of porn saturation historically.

Yea!!

Oh, you meant that was a bad thing.

 

[acbytesla]

But you know that there has never been this level of porn saturation historically.

Do you know what I consider to be absolutely disgusting immoral literature? I got news for you. It's not pornography.

It's;

The Quran, The Torah, The Bible.

All, hundreds of times worse.

 

[Poem]

Do you know what I consider to be absolutely disgusting immoral literature? I got news for you. It's not pornography.

It's;

The Quran, The Torah, The Bible.

All, hundreds of times worse.

Since you have said so many times then, yes, I / we all do know that. This thread isn't about that. Or are you suggesting we can't talk about porn 'cos you have decided certain other literature is worse?

 

[acbytesla]

Since you have said so many times then, yes, I / we all do know that. This thread isn't about that. Or are you suggesting we can't talk about porn 'cos you have decided certain other literature is worse?

Sure it is.

You think sex and pornography is bad because you have been indoctrinated by the Abrahamic religions to think that way. These are core tenets of these popular religions. Sadly, few of the adherents of these religions have read much of their vile content. Not only do they preach ignorance and stupidity. They preach that the most natural biological activities are wrong.

 

[Poem]

Sure it is.

You think sex and pornography is bad because you have been indoctrinated by the Abrahamic religions to think that way. These are core tenets of these popular religions. Sadly, few of the adherents of these religions have read much of their vile content. Not only do they preach ignorance and stupidity. They preach that the most natural biological activities are wrong.

We have been down this road and it's straying off topic. The notion that sex is bad because the Bible / the Quran et al say so is not correct. What does the story of Genesis (apparently) tell Adam to do? Sure, it's just a story - but God didn't say to Adam: Sex is bad (not in the context of his relationship with Eve at least).

There will be plenty of atheists who won't be okay with reckless sex. One of the reasons why our societies struggle is because of as much. Absent fatherhood is a thing. You know that.

Porn is and will continue to be a threat to relationship stability - which is fundamental to the efficacy of a civilised society.

 

[acbytesla]

We have been down this road and it's straying off topic. The notion that sex is bad because the Bible / the Quran et al say so is not correct. What does the story of Genesis (apparently) tell Adam to do? Sure, it's just a story - but God didn't say to Adam: Sex is bad (not in the context of his relationship with Eve at least).

That's full of crap. Sex is bad is preached throughout the Bible. Not just in Genesis.

There will be plenty of atheists who won't be okay with reckless sex. One of the reasons why our societies struggle is because of as much. Absent fatherhood is a thing. You know that.

More nonsense. There is absolutely no reason to think that societies struggle because people have sex

Porn is and will continue to be a threat to relationship stability - which is fundamental to the efficacy of a civilised society.

More BS. Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

 

[Poem]

That's full of crap. Sex is bad is preached throughout the Bible. Not just in Genesis.

Is unrestrained sex aa good thing? Most people in a relationship/marriage won't be comfortable with their partner having sex with whomever.

More nonsense. There is absolutely no reason to think that societies struggle because people have sex

I didn't say that and you know it.

More BS. Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Light on detail.

 

[Lithrael]

I will lean in the door again to say that the availability of porn has sweet fanny adams to do with the prevalence of absent fatherhood.

The ease of making deepfakes of teachers etc is certainly obnoxious. But if you took that technology to 1960 the same kind of little snots would have the same lack of compunction about using it.

And the ease creates anonymity; if Bobby Jones was the only kid in class who was good at photoshop then you could guess who pasted Ms Wither's head on Pamela Anderson, but with a deepfake anybody could have done it which creates a problem in trying to discipline the little snots.

 

[Joe Random]

Well, the thread has finally convinced me. This AI-generated stuff is horrible, so from now on I'm sticking to lovingly hand-crafted artisanal porn.

 

[Poem]

I will lean in the door again to say that the availability of porn has sweet fanny adams to do with the prevalence of absent fatherhood.

If porn commodifies sex, then you have trivialised it with regard to marriage/relationships - and you end up eviscerating their very essence. Sure, this will not apply to all relationships - but it will to many.

That does and will impact on society. I've read that 1 in 3 or 4 US kids are without their biological father.

 

[acbytesla]

Is unrestrained sex aa good thing? Most people in a relationship/marriage won't be comfortable with their partner having sex with whomever.

What does that have to do with anything? Whether people watch porn has little effect on their relationship.

I didn't say that and you know it.

No, in fact that is exactly what you said.

Light on detail.

The detail is in every single post you make. One gish gallop after another. You are either repeating lies of others or making it up as you go.

 

[acbytesla]

If porn commodifies sex, then you have trivialised it with regard to marriage/relationships - and you end up eviscerating their very essence. Sure, this will not apply to all relationships - but it will to many.

That does and will impact on society. I've read that 1 in 3 or 4 US kids are without their biological father.

And that has nothing to do with porn. It also has little to do with sex. This has more to do with economic factors and stupid ideas like abstinence only education and lack of birth control.

 

[sackett]

Can't we reach agreement on anything? Let's try:

Porn is bad and sex is good.
Sex is bad and porn is worse.
Bad sex is better than good porn.
Bad porn is better sex than nothing.
No sex is worse than good sex while watching porn.
Watching sex is as good as porn but bring your own snacks.
Sweet Fanny Adam's sex is just interrupted porn.
You can't have too much sexy sex but this stuff gets lame.

How'd I do? Second base? David Coppafeel?

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Can't we reach agreement on anything? Let's try:

Porn is bad and sex is good.
Sex is bad and porn is worse.
Bad sex is better than good porn.
Bad porn is better sex than nothing.
No sex is worse than good sex while watching porn.
Watching sex is as good as porn but bring your own snacks.
Sweet Fanny Adam's sex is just interrupted porn.
You can't have too much sexy sex but this stuff gets lame.

How'd I do? Second base? David Coppafeel?

Anyone saying porn is bad knows their sex is worse.

 

[Poem]

What does that have to do with anything? Whether people watch porn has little effect on their relationship.

I asked if you think that unrestrained sex is a good thing. Is it? Should anyone in a relationship be free to have sex with whomever they want even if their partner forbids it?

 

[sackett]

Anyone saying porn is bad!

ETA: And anyone in a relationship or a society should be prevented from
having more sex than is right and good! The first rule of decent civilization
is to have rules -- plenty of 'em! -- and obey them. Rule-obeyers must have the
means to make those horrid dirty sexuals keep their zippers UP!

But I'm not advocating for rubber truncheons and castor oil. I'm not! You
stop saying that!

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I asked if you think that unrestrained sex is a good thing. Is it? Should anyone in a relationship be free to have sex with whomever they want even if their partner forbids it?

There are many happy relationships built on exactly that. It's none of my business, and more importantly it's none of your business. The world is wider and weirder than exists in your imagination.

 

[acbytesla]

I asked if you think that unrestrained sex is a good thing. Is it? Should anyone in a relationship be free to have sex with whomever they want even if their partner forbids it?

You're asking if cheating is bad. Which I do think is bad. But that has nothing to do with porn.

 

[Lithrael]

Bad sex is better than good porn.

Oh my god, no it's not XD (maybe if you're a boy?)

I can probably agree with one or more or your other premises but disagreeing is much more fun (than porn!)

 

[arthwollipot]

Most kids historically could access 24/7 rule 34 content (or the real thing)?

No.

Yes. In fact, they could. Inasmuch as the internet in their pocket wasn't a thing, it was not difficult for children throughout history to see sex. Horses, pigs, and sheep were doing it shamelessly in their pens, and their parents and older brothers and sisters were doing it in common areas of their homes. Sex was everywhere, and it was not being covered up, because it was not shameful.

You know who made sex shameful? The church.

You're asking if cheating is bad. Which I do think is bad. But that has nothing to do with porn.

It also has nothing to do with sex.

"Cheating" (as it is commonly known) is a breach of trust. If I am in a relationship in which I trust that my partner will only have sex with me (which is quite common though not at all universal), and they go off and have sex with someone else, then they have breached my trust, and that can be fatal to a relationship. But if I am an ethical vegan, who eschews animal products for moral reasons, and I expect my partner to to the same, and discover that they are sneaking off and scarfing down hamburgers, that too is a breach of trust. It's all cheating.