That's some carefully crafted poll, separating "doing nothing" from "not doing enough" from "weak and spineless," all of which are broadly the same criticism. Almost as if the author was more focused on bothsidesing further division than producing any useful observations.
Given the insights offered by some posters here, I'm amazed that the overwhelming favorite wasn't "too mean to Republicans". If anything, it sounds like folks feel that they aren't mean enough.
The voters who stayed home need to blame someone who isn't them for the current mess.
It's particularly startling when you watch Democrats speak from 30 years ago. Crazy how these days the same party calling support of immigration enforcement makeling you a bigot while on the other side of the mouth they're asking who will pick our cotton if we deport illegals..l as if its better to let them in to do labor for trash wages. 30 years ago they were for enforcing those laws.
Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Biden, Chuck Schumer, Obama and all once spoke about immigration the same way contemporary conservatives argue about it. If you're referring to that as "fiction" then you're argument is either denial, or trolling, which is very.... CT-like. I really can't justify putting in the effort because you have a long history of arguing like this. The videos are out there and super easy to find if you're ever interested. But if you insist on the status quo, have at it.
About as proven as arguments like Silverstein's "pull it" remark, which is pertinent because the quality and documentation you base your remark off of in a political discussion is about as equally flimsy as the 9/11 truth claims I used to spend time debunking in the other section.
I agree. 20 years ago I could have a fairly good debate with people I disagreed with. People actually made effort to explain their view points and i could accept when people had rationalized explanations even if I didnt agree with them. Back then, being called a bootlicker and racist was not the automatic kneejerk response that it is today. The standards these days just aren't the same as they used to be.
Yeah... blocks on detainers on illegal immigrants arrested for crimes, releasing them back to the public, and allowing unmitigated crossings for several years is definitely one way to signal that they "enforce" the immigration laws. Sanctuary City policies to hinder enforcement... You totally got me there.
They actually did make points about "undocumented" immigrants needing to go through the proper channels as well as undergoing the legal process to get naturalized, and not having them subsidized by tax payers on welfare programs meant for US citizens. I could go on about them arguing in support controling the border to mitigate mass illegal crossings. Which members have been exceptionally critical of in recent years even before the ICE enforcement became a consideration. While the immigration issue has never actually been addressed, you and Karate seem adamant to avoid that they argued these things even if what they said was just a continuation of political platitudes.
I imagine a lot of things are scary to right-wingers. The world is big and full of not white people.
The people you are simping for referring to undocumented workers as dirty, disease ridden animals and criminals doesn't really help your case.
That's pointing out the role in our economy undocumented works hold. There's a very important, nuanced, and uncomfortable discussion to be had about how our lifestyle as Americans affects others, but people posting drunk uncle facebook rants aren't part of that discussion.
No, that sucks. That's why a log of Democrats, not just progressives, are advocating for laws protecting undocumented immigrants from such abuses.
Mostly still are. Its the Gestapo ◊◊◊◊ like gunning down people in the streets for not being properly afraid of a wife beater with a mask and gun that we object to.
Always the one joke.
Your Edit should just consist of the backspace key.
Show me where they referred to all undocumented immigrants as rapists and murderers and drug dealers. Show me where they went on syphilitic brain riddled rants about eating cats and dogs.
And you're arguing while suffering from Deranged Trumper Syndrome
So, "trust me bro" from a pedophile simp
Your weak orange daddy's own words about enjoying sexually assaulting women and girls. A judge finding him liable for sexual assault. Dozens of credible accounts.
But then you got DTS
But then yo urealize reality had a left-wing bias, so you decided reality was wrong.
Again, if you don't like being called something, stop being that thing.
I'm looking at self declared patriots and Christians simping for the addled brained pedophile in the White House and couldn't agree more.
You mean holding the accused for due process?
Nonviolent offenders? Ya, that's generally how it should work.
In no universe did this happen
Not a fan of the Constitution? Don't believe in "small government"? Because sanctuary cities are a legal concept going back at least 100 years. It was upheld when local municipalities asserted that that didn't have to help the feds enforce prohibition. Or when several states successfully sued the Obama administration for holding back federal funding as retaliation for not expanding Medicaid or complying with certain other provisions of the ACA.
