Split Thread DEI in the US

[d4m10n]

Race-based admissions are racist by definition.

By whose definition? Pretty sure the folks who defend race-conscious admissions policies have a different one than you do.

 

[theprestige]

By whose definition? Pretty sure the folks who defend race-conscious admissions policies have a different one than you do.

Anyone who likes is welcome to present a countervailing definition for our discussion. Bonus points if it appeals to punching up, or the progressive stack.

 

[novaphile]

I'm waiting, with bated breath, for theprestige to discover 'the glass ceiling'.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Hegseth has intervened in military promotions for more than a dozen senior officers

The defense secretary’s efforts to block or delay promotions to general or admiral for some officers has raised concerns that he may be targeting them because of race, gender or affiliation with the Biden administration, sources say.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[arthwollipot]

Surprise surprise. The Administration of Nepotism cares nothing about meritocracy.

 

[d4m10n]

I'm waiting, with bated breath, for theprestige to discover 'the glass ceiling'.

Do you contend there is a “glass ceiling” exception written into federal antidiscrimination law, or are you just saying there ought to be?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Do you contend there is a “glass ceiling” exception written into federal antidiscrimination law, or are you just saying there ought to be?

It appears that you are asking a loaded question to a strawman.

 

[d4m10n]

It appears that you are asking a loaded question to a strawman.

It appears you are jumping in before the person I was talking to had a chance to respond.

 

[theprestige]

I'm waiting, with bated breath, for theprestige to discover 'the glass ceiling'.

I'm well aware of the phenomenon. I just disagree that explicitly sex-based privilege is the solution.

 

[thaiboxerken]

It appears you are jumping in before the person I was talking to had a chance to respond.

A phallacy is a phallacy, no matter if it was responded to or not.

 

[theprestige]

Do you contend there is a “glass ceiling” exception written into federal antidiscrimination law, or are you just saying there ought to be?

Neither. He's contending that I'm ignorant, for not wanting to ignore federal antidiscrimination law if ignoring it would give women an advantage based on their sex.

 

[d4m10n]

A phallacy is a phallacy, no matter if it was responded to or not.

As yes, the dreaded argumentum ex phallo.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Or, most of the time, ex nihilo

 

[jt512]

I'm well aware of the phenomenon. I just disagree that explicitly sex-based privilege is the solution.

I'm aware that it was a once a phenomenon.

 

[arthwollipot]

I'm well aware of the phenomenon. I just disagree that explicitly sex-based privilege is the solution.

What's your proposed solution?

 

[theprestige]

What's your proposed solution?

Equal pay for equal work. Equal benefits for both sexes. If access to company leadership is beneficial to one's career, then make sure that female employees get the same access as male employees.

What's your proposed solution? Give benefits to women, and withhold them from men, until you're satisfied that the glass ceiling has been shattered?

 

[arthwollipot]

Equal pay for equal work. Equal benefits for both sexes. If access to company leadership is beneficial to one's career, then make sure that female employees get the same access as male employees.

What's your proposed solution? Give benefits to women, and withhold them from men, until you're satisfied that the glass ceiling has been shattered?

My solution is diversity in hiring, equity in remuneration, and inclusion so that everyone has a chance.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Presuming that we as a society have a vested interest in having offspring, and currently only some people can actually give birth, in a Market Sense, women should be paid more than men to offset the time they won't be able to work because they are doing something more important than increasing shareholder value.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Equal pay for equal work. Equal benefits for both sexes. If access to company leadership is beneficial to one's career, then make sure that female employees get the same access as male employees.

What's your proposed solution? Give benefits to women, and withhold them from men, until you're satisfied that the glass ceiling has been shattered?

How do you do this without actual policy?

 

[theprestige]

How do you do this without actual policy?

You don't. There is actual policy supporting the goals I listed. That policy does not include blatantly sexist (and also illegal) implementations.