Merged Concerns over baby killer ignored? / Nurse Lucy Letby killed babies in her care

[Vixen]

Indeed. @Vixen clearly hasn't learned much from the Post Office scandal... almost a thousand people were "guilty in court" but they turned out be in effect framed by the Post Office, and they have since had their convictions thrown out. But in @Vixen's eyes, using her standard, they are still guilty.

If you see my comments in the Post Office scandal thread you will note I am equally analytical in my critique there, wherein I explain my opinion on the error of the Post Office ways, and providing my reasoning. Nobody is obliged to agree. At least it's not based on a knee jerk gut feeling after reading some newspaper columnist paid to churn out drivel to the masses.

 

[Vixen]

We're never going to get that through to her, even in words of one syllable. Absolute proof of innocence can be discovered, and still not be allowed as a ground of appeal, if the CCRC believes that that evidence was available to the defendant at the time of the trial. Or, as Vixen would say, you don't get another bite at the cherry.

This doesn't mean the person actually committed the crime.

(I think Prof Lee is facing the same difficulty I had, in that all the evidence he relies on was available at the time of the original trial, and what he is presenting is a new analysis. Which is why I'm interested to see where this one goes.)

I said nothing of the kind.

 

[catsmate]

If you see my comments in the Post Office scandal thread you will note I am equally analytical in my critique there,

 

[smartcooky]

Indeed.

My dear and departed dad had a saying... "More full of wind and piss than a barber's cat"

 

[zooterkin]

If you see my comments in the Post Office scandal thread you will note I am equally analytical in my critique there, wherein I explain my opinion on the error of the Post Office ways, and providing my reasoning. Nobody is obliged to agree. At least it's not based on a knee jerk gut feeling after reading some newspaper columnist paid to churn out drivel to the masses.

Are you referring to Dr Phil Hammond again?

 

[jeremyp]

I said nothing of the kind.

In that case, you need to review your posts and be more careful in future, because it looks like that is exactly what you said.

 

[catsmate]

The former Conservative cabinet minister David Davis has again criticised Cheshire police, the force that conducted the investigation into Lucy Letby, saying the force made “egregious” failures and did not follow official guidance or best professional practice.

David Davis says Cheshire police made ‘egregious’ failures in Lucy Letby investigation

Conservative former cabinet minister says nurse convicted of murdering seven babies has suffered a miscarriage of justice

www.theguardian.com

 

[catsmate]

‘Terrifying when a single opinion condemns a young woman to life’

Letby debate: ‘Terrifying when a single opinion condemns a young woman to life’ – The Justice Gap

www.thejusticegap.com

 

[smartcooky]

‘Terrifying when a single opinion condemns a young woman to life’

Letby debate: ‘Terrifying when a single opinion condemns a young woman to life’ – The Justice Gap

www.thejusticegap.com

"In his adjournment debate last week, David Davis drew on reviews by two senior police officers: Dr Steve Watts, an ex-assistant chief constable who authored the National Police Guidelines on the investigation of deaths in healthcare settings, and retired Detective Superintendent Stuart Clifton, who investigated the murders of Beverley Allitt. According to Davis, DS Clifton had been ‘commissioned by The Sun newspaper to confirm Letby’s guilt’. ‘Indeed, both policemen believed that Letby was guilty—that is, until they examined the hard facts, and both now believe that the Letby case is a serious miscarriage of justice,’ he said."​

Two former Detective Superintendents (that is a high rank in the British Police) who believed she was guilty, have done a 180 about face once they saw the evidence. That is telling.

 

[catsmate]

"In his adjournment debate last week, David Davis drew on reviews by two senior police officers: Dr Steve Watts, an ex-assistant chief constable who authored the National Police Guidelines on the investigation of deaths in healthcare settings, and retired Detective Superintendent Stuart Clifton, who investigated the murders of Beverley Allitt. According to Davis, DS Clifton had been ‘commissioned by The Sun newspaper to confirm Letby’s guilt’. ‘Indeed, both policemen believed that Letby was guilty—that is, until they examined the hard facts, and both now believe that the Letby case is a serious miscarriage of justice,’ he said."​

Two former Detective Superintendents (that is a high rank in the British Police) who believed she was guilty, have done a 180 about face once they saw the evidence. That is telling.

They were involved in earlier (alleged) medical murder cases.

The Cheshire police are getting very defensive, notably about the CPS decision not to bring further charges.

 

[catsmate]

One of three senior managers at the Countess of Chester hospital, who were arrested and questioned last year on charges of gross negligence manslaughter and corporate manslaughter, has been re-arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.

Former boss at Lucy Letby’s hospital arrested on suspicion of perverting course of justice

Suspect is one of three ex-senior leaders also arrested last year on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter

www.theguardian.com

 

[smartcooky]

To paraphrase Shakespeare.... "Something is rotten in the County of Chester"

 

[Vixen]

I am guessing it is Ian Harvey. It was only after the murder of the two triplets that Tony Chambers and Ian Harvey sprung into action. Their 'action plan' was to 'manage the doctors out' and report them to the GMC, Harvey even ordered his successor to do the same.

 

[Vixen]

"In his adjournment debate last week, David Davis drew on reviews by two senior police officers: Dr Steve Watts, an ex-assistant chief constable who authored the National Police Guidelines on the investigation of deaths in healthcare settings, and retired Detective Superintendent Stuart Clifton, who investigated the murders of Beverley Allitt. According to Davis, DS Clifton had been ‘commissioned by The Sun newspaper to confirm Letby’s guilt’. ‘Indeed, both policemen believed that Letby was guilty—that is, until they examined the hard facts, and both now believe that the Letby case is a serious miscarriage of justice,’ he said."​

Two former Detective Superintendents (that is a high rank in the British Police) who believed she was guilty, have done a 180 about face once they saw the evidence. That is telling.

Who did this?

 

[catsmate]

Who did this?


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Another strawman. Pathetic.

 

[Rolfe]

You know, that happens. Not the "I watched a 90 minute documentary part" necessarily, but you only have to look at some of the more detailed threads in this very forum to find examples of people analysing evidence and figuring out stuff the police didn't.

 

[Planigale]

The problem is both sides may be right.

Letby, may have done things that resulted in the deaths of children under her care. (I think this is true.)
And.
Letby may have been wrongly convicted in some instances of crimes she did not commit. (I think this is true.)

 

[Rolfe]

Letby, may have done things that resulted in the deaths of children under her care. (I think this is true.)

You think she did these things deliberately, intending to kill the children?

 

[jeremyp]

The problem is both sides may be right.

Letby, may have done things that resulted in the deaths of children under her care. (I think this is true.)
And.
Letby may have been wrongly convicted in some instances of crimes she did not commit. (I think this is true.)

You're mischaracterising the disagreement. One side says Lettby was rightfully convicted. The other side says the evidence was not sufficient to convict her. Both sides can't be right.

The side that thinks Letby's verdict was right don't think she "may have done things that resulted in the deaths of children under her care". They think she committed murder and they think there is enough evidence to convict her.

 

[Rolfe]

This is an interesting perspective.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2058146333676929317