Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

[Andy_Ross]

Hegseth: So the President is pointing out this is an international waterway that we use less than most, in fact dramatically less than most. So the world ought pay attention and be prepared to stand up. President Trump's been willing to do the heavy lifting on behalf of the free world to address this threat of Iran.

It's not just our problem set going forward, even though we have done the lion's share of preparation to ensure that that straight will be will be open.

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[Jack by the hedge]

"Lion's share" my arse. Trump has done the bull's share of work in the china shop. Now it's everyone else's problem to get the world's supplies of raw materials out of Trump's active war zone.

 

[jimbob]

Well, that's just terrific, but I'd be happier if you knew what you were doing.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Pick a number...

Hegseth on when US objectives will be achieved: "He said four to six weeks, six to eight weeks, three weeks -- it could by any particular number. It will be the president's determination."

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[Jack by the hedge]

Iran will stop firing missiles when Trump determines.

This fills me with confidence that world events are in safe hands.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Negotiate with bombs

Hegseth: We'll negotiate with bombs. Our job is to ensure that we compel Iran to realize that this new regime, this regime in charge, is in a better place if they make that deal. And so we'll continue. We're working hand in hand, but the primary effort is a deal. We want that deal to be accomplished, if at all possible. If not, then we're prepared to continue.

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[Jack by the hedge]

It'll all be over by Christmas. <sigh>

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Hegseth: We'll negotiate with bombs.

How's that going? Oh.

Maybe they didn't hear you. Do you have any slightly louder bombs?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It'll all be over by a Christmas. <sigh>

FTFY

 

[johnny karate]

We don't "all know that." Sanctions relief under the JCPOA permitted Iran to channel billions of dollars to its terror proxies in the MIddle East, essentially funding the war that Hamas began on October 7, 2023. Had Trump allowed the JCPOA to continue and not reimpose sanction on Iran, imagine how strong Iran's terror proxies would have become.

When it comes to justifying this pointless war, imagination seems to be all you’ve got.

 

[johnny karate]

Iran was violating the NPT years before that, according to the IAEA. You really don't understand what they were doing.

What were the violations that IAEA noted and when did they take place?

 

[johnny karate]

You do realize that actually confirms what I just said about NPT violations years before. Also, their NPT obligations had nothing to do with Trump or the Obama deal, and the collapse of that deal did not justify violating the NPT.

As I said, you really don't understand what they were doing.

What were the violations that IAEA noted and when did they take place?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Iran funds terrorists against Israel, it must be destroyed!
Saudi Arabia funds terrorists against the US and Isreal. Eternal allies

Iran might possibly work on a nuclear weapon, it must be destroyed!
Never ever ask Israel to let its nuclear programs be examined, that's antisemitism!

Still, it's an achievement of Trump that they managed to make the Iranian regime seem the one more reliable in international relations.

 

[Helen]

Pick a number...

Hegseth on when US objectives will be achieved: "He said four to six weeks, six to eight weeks, three weeks -- it could by any particular number. It will be the president's determination."

Link

If it could be any number, they're not particular. Nor are you, I suspect, just as long as things go boom, and you can stand in front of "reporters" (who are careful about your best angles), and talk about, not soldiers, no, war fighters.

 

[The_Animus]

You do realize that actually confirms what I just said about NPT violations years before. Also, their NPT obligations had nothing to do with Trump or the Obama deal, and the collapse of that deal did not justify violating the NPT.

As I said, you really don't understand what they were doing.

From the link.

[VIENNA, June 12 (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog's 35-nation Board of Governors declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations on Thursday for the first time in almost 20 years, raising the prospect of reporting it to the U.N. Security Council.

The major step is the culmination of several festering stand-offs between the International Atomic Energy Agency and Iran that have arisen since President Donald Trump pulled the U.S. out of a nuclear deal between Tehran and major powers in 2018 during his first term, after which that deal unravelled.

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It would be the first time in almost 20 years Iran has formally been found in non-compliance.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Definitely a better track record than the US when it comes to international agreements.

Guess Zig is now in favor of bombing and invading the US

 

[The Atheist]

Iran will stop firing missiles when Trump determines.

That's actually probably correct.

Trump will determine he's "won" and will take his ships and planes away, and Iran will negotiate high fees with shipping companies to transit Hormuz.

They will then stop firing missiles at US bases, the Emirates and shipping. They will probably still deservedly chuck a few at the Nazi regime to the west.

That's what winning looks like - a total humiliation of USA, failing to meet, or even state its objectives - handing victory to the Ayatollahs.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
All of those countries that can't get jet fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran, I have a suggestion for you: Number 1, buy from the U.S., we have plenty, and Number 2, build up some delayed courage, go to the Strait, and just TAKE IT. You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself, the U.S.A. won't be there to help you anymore, just like you weren't there for us. Iran has been, essentially, decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil! President DJT

When the US decided to attack Iraq because their pet dictator no longer behaved and threatened their oil supplies NATO allies supported them, even when it was clear there was no real plan.
When the US fabricated fake evidence to attack Iraq again a significant amount of NATO allies still supported them, even though there was even less of a plan.
When the US invoked article 5 to attack Afghanistan to avenge an attack by Saudi terrorists NATO stepped up and bled along the US, often to proportional degrees.

And now this clown is claiming the US is the sad little child that is never liked? I wish Iranian missiles could reach Florida and hit Mar-a-Lago when he is there.
It's clear the US is no longer an ally but a would be Hegemon.

 

[Ziggurat]

It would be the first time in almost 20 years Iran has formally been found in non-compliance.

You know what that means? It means almost 20 years ago, Iran was formally found to be in non-compliance.
But here's the kicker: there's a difference between when Iran was found to be in non-compliance and when those violations occurred. There's also a difference between what Iran was doing and what the IAEA was able to prove they were doing.

 

[Ziggurat]

And now this clown is claiming the US is the sad little child that is never liked? I wish Iranian missiles could reach Florida and hit Mar-a-Lago when he is there.
It's clear the US is no longer an ally but a would be Hegemon.

You want the US to be attacked. And you think we aren't your allies? We aren't the ones hoping you get attacked.

You aren't anti-war. You're just on the other side.