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Ed Israel/US Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

Andy_Ross said:
Cotton: Anyone who says that we are already in a quagmire or that president cannot succeed because of the threat that Iran poses to Hormuz is akin to saying Eisenhower is losing because he hadn’t made it to Berlin within two days of D-Day. It will take some time.

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Every time Cotton opens his mouth, I expect something ignorant.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
That took me by surprise. But I found a live casualty tracker on Al Jazeera which agrees:
www.aljazeera.com

US-Israel attacks on Iran: Death toll and injuries live tracker

Preliminary figures are 3,468 people dead in Iran, 3,042 dead in Lebanon, and 28 killed in Gulf states.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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Another good source that I use for Ukraine as well is liveuamap

iran.liveuamap.com

Iran news on live map in English - War in Iran - Conflict in the Gulf- iran.liveuamap.com

Explore Iran local news alerts & today's headlines geolocated on live map on website or application. Focus on Iran protests, politics, military news and security alerts
iran.liveuamap.com iran.liveuamap.com
 
Look, I've been ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on you since the moment I came to power, belittled the genuine effort you all made in Afghanistan, ripped up every deal the US made and brought down international trade unless you paid me personal tribute.
But now that I've gone and started another illegal attack on a country I did not like and it turns out they hit back, you MUST help me!
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Look, I've been ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on you since the moment I came to power, belittled the genuine effort you all made in Afghanistan, ripped up every deal the US made and brought down international trade unless you paid me personal tribute.
But now that I've gone and started another illegal attack on a country I did not like and it turns out they hit back, you MUST help me!
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As Belle of the Ranch said, maybe NATO countries "might ... hold back a little"
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
Look, I've been ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on you since the moment I came to power, belittled the genuine effort you all made in Afghanistan, ripped up every deal the US made and brought down international trade unless you paid me personal tribute.
But now that I've gone and started another illegal attack on a country I did not like and it turns out they hit back, you MUST help me!
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They don't have to help him. If Europe wants to leave Hormuz closed, they can.

But the US is a net exporter of oil. Europe isn't.
 
Ziggurat said:
They don't have to help him. If Europe wants to leave Hormuz closed, they can.

But the US is a net exporter of oil. Europe isn't.
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I'm betting European governments already know that and have included it in their decisions. Some European governments appear to have principles that the USA government is devoid of.
 
Ziggurat said:
They don't have to help him. If Europe wants to leave Hormuz closed, they can.

But the US is a net exporter of oil. Europe isn't.
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but because Europe is taxing petrol so much the actual price hike is much lower, relatively speaking than in the US - and it's not Europeans who are voting in the Midterms.
It's one Oil Market, unless Trump orders US producers not to sell to anyone but Americans.
 
Steve said:
I'm betting European governments already know that and have included it in their decisions. Some European governments appear to have principles that the USA government is devoid of.
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Bwahahahahaha!

No, they don't. They just have different interests. And the interests of those governments (or more accurately, their politicians) frequently don't even align with the interests of their own citizens.

How's Germany's decision to shut down its nuclear reactors looking now?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's one Oil Market, unless Trump orders US producers not to sell to anyone but Americans.
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Oil is fungible to an extent, but not perfectly so. Transportation costs differ between supplier/consumer matchups.

But the other aspect is that when oil prices rise, US consumers are hurt, but US producers benefit. That helps offset the pain on the US side. But if you consume a lot more than you produce, you don't have that offset.
 
Ziggurat said:
They don't have to help him. If Europe wants to leave Hormuz closed, they can.

But the US is a net exporter of oil. Europe isn't.
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Supply goes down, price goes up. Happy times for US oil companies. Raised prices for consumers worldwide, including US consumers.

Is this the magic bullet that's going to fix the midterms somehow?
 
Ziggurat said:
Oil is fungible to an extent, but not perfectly so. Transportation costs differ between supplier/consumer matchups.

But the other aspect is that when oil prices rise, US consumers are hurt, but US producers benefit. That helps offset the pain on the US side. But if you consume a lot more than you produce, you don't have that offset.
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do you think Trump cares about anything but the Midterms?
 
Ziggurat said:
Bwahahahahaha!

No, they don't. They just have different interests. And the interests of those governments (or more accurately, their politicians) frequently don't even align with the interests of their own citizens.

How's Germany's decision to shut down its nuclear reactors looking now?
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Maybe the Rep's campaign slogan can be "We're not inflicting as much pain on you as we are on everyone else".
Or perhaps "Sure, it hurts, but look at the oil executives. Don't they look happy?"
 
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