Fair, I lived there from 1982 - 1997 and have only been back once for my Mom's funeral in 2024. You could say I spent my formative years there.
Trump's promised ICE raids have begun
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Andy_Ross
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Lynwood, CA — Footage shows an ICE agent pistol whipping a 16-year-old boy in the face with a handgun as the teen appears to be raising his hands and unarmed. Other officers violently force him to the ground, kneeling on his back into a curb, in the presence of an attack dog, as local residents shout at the agents to stop hurting him.
Scum.
Gulliver Foyle
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Somebody should ask Ronnie-boy if he's on the shoe polish vodka again. Because he's directly advocating for the abolition of law there.
JayUtah
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Judicial warrants being required to enter private property and seize persons or property therein is a foundational doctrine of the U.S. Constitution.
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It's been reported that on Saturday a local police chief in St. Peter Minnesota -- a city of about 12,000 residents located about fifty miles southwest of Minneapolis -- intervened in the arrest of a local woman who had been tracking ICE agents. She was arrested at gunpoint, dragged from her car and put into an ICE vehicle. Meanwhile, other occupants of the car called 911. Local police then apparently called ICE.
By then the woman was being transported to Minneapolis, presumably to be held at an ICE detention facility. An ICE supervisor then called the agents and ordered them to instead transport the woman to the St. Peter police station and release her to local police.
In an email to Minnesota Public Radio, St. Peter Police Chief Matt Grochow described what happened next. “ICE returned the female to our police department, I saw her, and I gave her a ride home.”
The woman told MPR:
This is from the car cam of the woman being stopped. Masked ICE agents in an unmarked car approach her with guns drawn and pointed at her, yelling for her to, "Get out of the effing car!" It immediately reminded me of the comment by the gentleman who was confronted by rifle-toting ICE agents in a church parking lot, services having just concluded, The gentleman said he felt like he was being confronted, not by law enforcement, but by a criminal gang
By then the woman was being transported to Minneapolis, presumably to be held at an ICE detention facility. An ICE supervisor then called the agents and ordered them to instead transport the woman to the St. Peter police station and release her to local police.
In an email to Minnesota Public Radio, St. Peter Police Chief Matt Grochow described what happened next. “ICE returned the female to our police department, I saw her, and I gave her a ride home.”
The woman told MPR:
This is from the car cam of the woman being stopped. Masked ICE agents in an unmarked car approach her with guns drawn and pointed at her, yelling for her to, "Get out of the effing car!" It immediately reminded me of the comment by the gentleman who was confronted by rifle-toting ICE agents in a church parking lot, services having just concluded, The gentleman said he felt like he was being confronted, not by law enforcement, but by a criminal gang
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Imperial Boomerang on full display: Trump's goon act and think like they are the occupying force on a mission to root out insurgents and pacify the natives.
JayUtah
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Jonathan Ross, the officer who murdered Renee Good, was supposedly a firearms instructor. So...yes?
They've declared war on U.S. citizens. They wish to stifle all dissent. They wish to suppress the vote
◊◊◊◊ them.
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When did you start to care what Democrats were demanding?
If body cameras would help you, why would you decide not to use them just because Democrats were not demanding you did so? If your car gets a flat tyre, do you refuse to pull over until Democrats demand you do so?
And while we're on a roll, what exactly is unacceptable about having a warrant to enter private property?
newyorkguy
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From the video:
I think everyone knows this is not the way police normally handle this kind of interaction. Why start the process by smacking the kid in the face with his handgun? Why push him face down on the street? And the agent (and some of the others) was wearing sneakers.
Mojo
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Because they're a bunch of thugs.
newyorkguy
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I happened upon local police arresting a shoplifter recently. I was leaving the store as the shoplifter did.
- Police: Come over here!
- Suspect I didn't do nothing!
- Police What's in that bag?
- Suspect: That's not mine!
- Police: We saw you throw it down. You're being arrested.
- Suspect: No!
- Police: Turn around.
- Suspect: Come on, man!
- Police: Put your arms behind your back.
- Suspect is handcuffed and led to the back seat of a marked police car. As he climbs in an officer warns him, "Watch your head."
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Poorly vetted, poorly trained, poorly equipped, save for their firearms. What could go wrong? You know, besides everything.
Andy_Ross
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I assume they are trained to hold their guns like characters in a video game then.
What fun is that? Iceholes joined up to savage people, especially dark ones. Getting to shoot people is a bonus.
JayUtah
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And that's why. Real law enforcement is required to attempt to de-escalate before applying reasonable force. In this situation (approaching a vehicle with an unconfirmed suspicion of belligerence) the proper procedure is to approach with weapons at no more than "low ready." That means pointed down at a 45-degree angle and laterally away from the suspect. These officers are instead acting like a criminal gang.
That said, merely following an ICE vehicle does not given rise to reasonable suspicion of belligerence. Following a police vehicle at a safe distance is in no way obstruction or interference. This has been well tested in court, but of course ICE and Republicans just ignore court orders these days. These officers had no reasonable suspicion to stop her, much less to approach her with weapons drawn in any way.
That too said, ordering a driver to leave the vehicle is the appropriate procedure to ensure the vehicle cannot be used as a weapon. However, in this case the driver likely feared for her life because of prior events and because of the inappropriately aggressive postures of the officers. This blunts her obligation to obey orders.
As uncomfortable as it is to witness enforcement actions, this is an example of a proper arrest. That is, the police must put you on notice that they intend to arrest you. After that, you have certain obligations in order to avoid being charged also with obstruction or resisting arrest.
In contrast, being forced off the road and engaged immediately at gunpoint is likely to make someone fearful for their life and therefore likely to respond in a way that creates danger for themselves, for officers, and for bystanders. Behavior like that from arresting officers is literally how my spouse gets resisting-arrest charges dropped. When police are trained to de-escale, this is not just for everyone's safety. It improves the chances that any resisting-arrest charges will stick. It's a perverse incentive, but it improves the chances that everyone is still alive at the end of the day.
Indeed, what could go wrong? This is an obvious operation to incite violence. These are dangerously untrained people being told they are absolutely immune from criminal charges and who can plainly see that their leaders will routinely and officially lie for them.
newyorkguy
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Very true and a major concern. Citizens 'observing' ICE agents, filming them. They are often arrested and charged with Obstruction. That's a BS charge. Being followed and filmed may make the ICE agents uncomfortable but they're not being obstructed.
Related: The school one of Renee Good's children attended, sent a letter to parents thanking the ones who were participating in the "ICE watch" as it was helping "to protect their neighbors."
shemp
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I used to give this a "Wow." Now it's so frequent that I give it a "Sad." Soon I'll need a "Shrug, what else is new?"