Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

So equally well trained for every environment from peaceful urban protests to the surface* of Jupiter



*Yes 😉
Sure, why not. As I said previously, if corrections officers are laughing at how untrained you are, you're pretty untrained. In rural areas, sheriffs are the de facto local law enforcement, since every square foot of canonical American territory lies within a county and therefore within the jurisdiction of some county sheriff. In metropolitan areas such as mine, sheriffs (and their deputies) are typically relegated to acting as enforcement officers for court orders and as the operators of the county jail. So the metro sheriffs in Minneapolis are mostly jail guards and process servers.

There is a hierarchy of prestige, qualification, and training in American armed peace services. So if you want to be an armed peace officer in the United States, your most prestigious services will be the national ones: U.S Marshals, Secret Service, and the FBI. Then you have local law enforcement such as city police, who are seen as the front line of crime prevention and domestic peacekeeping. Ironically slightly below that are typically "state troopers." That is, local police look down on state police who generally just guard state facilities like the capitol buildings and enforce traffic laws on the highways outside major cities. They are rarely tasked with face-to-face arrests or investigations. This is markedly separate from state criminal investigation bureaus, which may be armed but are almost never uniformed.

At the bottom of the totem pole you have corrections officers—the people whose main or only job is to guard prisons and jails. I say this because they are usually people who failed to qualify for the more prestigious services, often for temperament reasons. It's not a glamorous job, so it's hard to recruit people to do it. Hence the standards are lower and the training requirements are lower. Therefore it tends to be a haven for people who want to brutalize a disfavored, disempowered, and captive population and have a better chance of getting away with it. So when these people look at you and say you're doing "bush-league policing," that's a pretty stinging rebuke. That's where we find ICE.

This is a broad-strokes generalization. I happen to know both our county sheriff and our relatively new chief of police, and they are doing great jobs. Our sheriff is especially well respected. For a female non-Caucasian to earn that kind of respect in this particular valley says a lot about her integrity and competence. So don't come at me too much. I just want to put the Minneapolis sheriff's comments in a context as they would be seen from inside law enforcement.
 
Biden is gone, but he set up a rube goldberg machine of hidden policies, interventions and obstructions that stymie every attempt of Trump to fix things even in the absence of a guiding intelligence.

In other words, this administration is either evil or less intelligent than a hamster in a wheel.


Is the highlighted referring to Biden being gone or Trump being there?
 
I need an emoji that expresses grief, fear frustration and anger at the same time.
The kids these days just pile them up. 😭🥺😫😤 I'm sure there's a single word in German that means all that.

I knew it would be worse this term, but this is far beyond what I feared. Giving thugs carte blanche to harass, abuse, assault and murder indiscriminately is far worse than anything i ever imagined.
The fact that we're searching for ways to express our disappointment and frustration is exactly what some Republicans voted for. They just wanted to "own the libtards" and make them cry, so mission accomplished. They're oblivious to the objective evil and cruelty this represents, so long as their team wins the political playoffs.
 
She's still going strong

DOOCY: If he was disarmed, is it protocol to use deadly force?

KRISTI NOEM: That's all part of this investigation. They clearly feared for their lives.

She talks as though "feared for their lives" is the only standard that needs to be applied here, inquire no further. To me, the pertinent question is whether that was a reasonable fear that justifies shooting a man in the back after disarming him. As Jay (I think it was Jay) has said, proper training is hindsight applied as foresight- the only training that seems to have been applied here is "shoot first and ask questions later."
 
Also oblivious to the risks to themselves
And to innocent bystanders, although it's not clear ICE believes there exists such a thing.

She talks as though "feared for their lives" is the only standard that needs to be applied here, inquire no further. To me, the pertinent question is whether that was a reasonable fear that justifies shooting a man in the back after disarming him.
In the real world that is precisely the question. And that's why (in my city) there are two investigations following an officer-involved shooting. A separate LEA (typically a neighboring local police department) investigates the officer for criminal liability and tries to answer the question of whether the officer's fear for his safety was reasonable. Ultimately this decision is answered by the district attorney, who must publish a finding either way. The other investigation is a joint investigation by Internal Affairs and a citizen advisory board, who determines whether department policies and training were adequate in the situation. The officer is placed on administrative leave pending the outcomes of these investigations and is not allowed to rejoin field operations until fully exonerated.

Normal policy at the federal level is for the FBI to conduct such an investigation for non-FBI officer-involved shootings and to cooperate with state law enforcement even if a claim may ultimately be made that federal supremacy applies. None of that is being done here. DHS proposes to investigate itself after its leadership has already publicly placed blame. The point of these investigations is to maintain a semblance of faith among the citizenry that police misconduct will have consequences. Here, the Attorney General has all but admitted that the intentional escalation of force will continue uninvestigated until Minnesota's elected leaders capitulate to their her political demands. You literally can't get any more corrupt than that.

As Jay (I think it was Jay) has said, proper training is hindsight applied as foresight
I said that. Our local police are required to be retrained every two years on de-escalation and disarming policy and tactics. Their initial training lasts much longer than 47 days.
 
I'm going to say the website glitching and going down this afternoon is the source.
Correct. I tried posting a few times while the forum was glitching and kept getting timeouts and errors. Apparently the posting operation succeeded unreported. Apologies, and I hope the mods will be able to clean it up and leave just one rant instead of several.

ETA: Looks like the same thing happened in other threads.
 
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Because it isn't true. First, Border Patrol is not ICE. CBP patrols the border up to 100 miles inland and is an operational force. Second—pre-Trump, ICE was the administrative enforcement arm. Think: sherriffs serving warrants, bailiffs, etc. They aren't trained for any policing. It wasn't their job. It isn't their job according to their federal mandate, and it's patently obvious they're extremely poorly trained for, well, anything.
I was being sarcastic ;) .
 
Hurting ICE's feelings is a capital offense now

Consequences

Bovino: "When politicians, community leaders, & some journalists engage in that heated rhetoric we keep talking about, when they make the choice to vilify law enforcement calling law enforcement 'Gestapo' or using the term 'kidnapping,' that is a choice & there are actions & consequences that come from those choices"

 

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