Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

Andy_Ross said:
FBI Director Kash Patel
@FBIDirectorKash
Today brought a significant surge of threatening activity on social media, heavily concentrated in Minnesota and tied to escalating anti-law enforcement rhetoric.

Our National Threat Operations Center is actively processing thousands of threats submitted through 1-800-CALL-FBI and http://tips.fbi.gov. Every credible threat is assessed and acted on.

We take this responsibility seriously. Protecting the public and our law enforcement professionals remains our top priority
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I lots from ICE leadership and politicians, about protecting ICE agents from the public, but very little about protecting the public from ICE agents. Do they not realise it is a two way street and the way they are justifying anything ICE does, means ICE can go rogue?
 
LDE1976 said:
So now they're trying to gaslight the public into believing that it's not possible to organise a few boxes of gear without the backing of George Soros or the Democrat Party.
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The concept of people chipping in however they can to help each other is entirely alien, so they are confused and afraid of it. If they saw a Sunday School picnic their heads would explode.
 
Nessie said:
I lots from ICE leadership and politicians, about protecting ICE agents from the public, but very little about protecting the public from ICE agents. Do they not realise it is a two way street and the way they are justifying anything ICE does, means ICE can go rogue?
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Naturally they realise but that is not their agenda. They need this to be a violent insurrection by a mob of extremists, trained and funded by sinister deep state powers, and the only hope is that the heroes of ICE can save the real people from these illegal alien drug gang far leftist etc etc.

They're just lying. And now they have no option but to keep lying. Never mind what the videos show, here are the lies again.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
The concept of people chipping in however they can to help each other is entirely alien, so they are confused and afraid of it. If they saw a Sunday School picnic their heads would explode.
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It's not entirely alien, at least not in theory. Private charity is their go-to hypothetical alternative to government social programs.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Only against certain citizens.
Guess which ones?
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It was a total restriction for German Jews, but all German citizens had their rights regarding possession of firearms reduced by the Nazis.

ICE have so much control, the police cannot even investigate when they shoot someone. I wonder if the police will be allowed to investigate if an ICE agent is shot?
 
LDE1976 said:
So now they're trying to gaslight the public into believing that it's not possible to organise a few boxes of gear without the backing of George Soros or the Democrat Party.
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It's how they see the world: the Right-Wing is highly organized, top down. Billionaires have organized and funded organizations to streamline the transfer of students from college into the judiciary, media, think tanks and politics.

The idea that communities and groups like Antifa could organize itself organically and decentralized is alien, deeply disturbing and almost impossible to understand for them, given their fundamentally authoritarian outlook on life: how can a human do anything unless being guided by his betters?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's how they see the world: the Right-Wing is highly organized, top down. Billionaires have organized and funded organizations to streamline the transfer of students from college into the judiciary, media, think tanks and politics.

The idea that communities and groups like Antifa could organize itself organically and decentralized is alien, deeply disturbing and almost impossible to understand for them, given their fundamentally authoritarian outlook on life: how can a human do anything unless being guided by his betters?
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Or in their case, worsers.
 
Nessie said:
It was a total restriction for German Jews, but all German citizens had their rights regarding possession of firearms reduced by the Nazis.
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From what I have read, this is incorrect.
Groups and individuals not in the crosshairs of the Nazis did not have their guns confiscated, or their access to guns curtailed, unless insofar as the war production prioritized providing the military.
Arbitrary enforcement, as with all authoritarian regimes, was of course the norm.
 
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Reddit Conservative groups are absolutely tearing each other apart at the moment since any talking points they have received obviously aren't very good since we can see what happened on multiple videos. ITs not that the arcons give a damn about a human life - this is spankbank material for them after all. But there are a number of comments like "well the leftists got what they wanted", "we could lose elections because of this", "ITs still his own fault!!" and of course "I can't see anything done wrong in the videos because they are too blurry".

The few arcons who are actually saying its bad (at least a bad 'look') are getting the "hello, fellow conservative" as replies and there is backlash to that.
 
From Sky News:

news.sky.com

'The normal rules of engagement have been thrown out - Alex Pretti was on his knees when first shot was fired'

There is no obvious evidence that Alex Pretti was intent on massacring a group of immigration agents, as the Department of Homeland Security is claiming.
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"But to be crystal clear - at no point is there any obvious evidence, even a hint, that Mr Pretti was intent on massacring a group of immigration agents in broad daylight, as the Department of Homeland Security is claiming.

At no point is there any sign that this situation will escalate to the point where a man will be shot dead."



And:

"At no point does he appear to be holding a firearm, and certainly not pointing it at anyone."



Another interesting excerpt from the same piece:

"I was a passenger in a car with a woman "observing" ICE officers, not dissimilar to what both Mr Pretti and Ms Good seemed to be doing.

Their first interaction with her was to bang on her windows and threaten to smash them. They then threatened to throw her in jail but did not say what crime she was suspected of.

All of this was before they even asked her name."
 
Jack by the hedge said:
An agent did disarmed the individual, Bovino.

Then one of them panicked and shot him, over and over and over. And over and over and over. And... you get the idea.

Then all the usual suspects started gaslighting as hard as the could, making up lies and calling the innocent victim a terrorist.

Then the Department Of Murdering Uppity Civilians declared they would conduct the thorough investigation into their complete innocence of the murder they just committed.


And the really astounding thing is, this isn't some dystopian movie.
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"Department Of Murdering Uppity Civilians" perfectly summarise the actual reason for ICE presence in Minnesota or any other blue state
Andy_Ross said:
Noem: Governor Walz and Mayor Frey choose violence—choose to encourage the destruction of their city and the crime against their people. It appears they want this lawlessness to continue to distract from the fraud

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015190745918157061
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Copied/pasted from Putin's justification for invading and destroying Ukraine, and from the SS reasons for destroying Oradour and burning its inhabitants alive …

And scum like Miller, Hegseth, Noem, or Bovino sound like they would enjoy doing the same.
 
kookbreaker said:
Reddit Conservative groups are absolutely tearing each other apart at the moment since any talking points they have received obviously aren't very good since we can see what happened on multiple videos. ITs not that the arcons give a damn about a human life - this is spankbank material for them after all. But there are a number of comments like "well the leftists got what they wanted", "we could lose elections because of this", "ITs still his own fault!!" and of course "I can't see anything done wrong in the videos because they are too blurry".

The few arcons who are actually saying its bad (at least a bad 'look') are getting the "hello, fellow conservative" as replies and there is backlash to that.
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I love it when they fight or get their knickers in a twist, or preferrably both 🍿❤️.
 
BBC live updates:

www.bbc.co.uk

Minneapolis live: Family of man shot dead by federal agent ask for ‘truth’ as senator calls for investigation

Federal authorities claim Alex Pretti was a “domestic terrorist” although Minnesota’s governor has criticised their account as “nonsense”.
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Including this:


"Videos of the incident showing the moments after agents had wrestled Alex Pretti to the ground show him face forward with his hands in front of him as he tries to crawl away - he’s visibly not holding a gun.

An agent in a grey jacket can be seen reaching to remove something from Pretti’s waist. Next to him, a different agent draws his gun.

The agent with the grey jacket turns away from Pretti, now holding what appears to be a pistol in his right hand which was previously empty.

But less than a second after this, an agent shoots Pretti.

Ten shots in total are heard. Another agent also draws his gun, but it’s not immediately clear from the footage if he fires. For at least the final five shots, all of the agents are standing clear of the body.

In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, a video shows two officers are by Pretti’s body. One is heard saying “Where’s the gun?” A voice shouts: “I’ve got the gun.” An agent gestures, presumably to the agent who has it."
 
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