Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

P.J. Denyer said:
No. One of the things I take exception to is the 'And this was done to a US Citizen...' narrative. Police brutality is not acceptable no matter who it's being inflicted on. Everyone is entitled to being treated as a human being under the law and subject to fair and humaine treatment.
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Oh, absolutely. I didn't mean it as a racist remark like the outraged 'there were RPGs fired on skyskrapers, it was like Afghanistan!' remark or 'it's so horrible to watch the footage of Ukrainian refugees, these are relatively civilized people who look like us', and I'm sorry if it came across as such. Police brutality is just as horrible no matter where it happens. I was just lamenting that the same kind of oppression Ukrainians already experience has now come to the USA, that America is now fast approaching the level of authoritarianism we see in countries like russia and Iran. Like when I saw a photo of the White House decked in gold and first thought it was the palace of some dictator in the Middle East, or when I saw that footage of the Humvee on an American road and for a second wondered if it was from America or Iraq.

Or, for that matter, when we compare what's happening in the USA to what happened in Germany 80 years ago.
Hope that cleared it up :) .
 
stanfr said:
Yeah that's it in a nutshell. I think there was just one shooter though. This whole series of shootings reminds me a lot of Kent State, and no officer was ever convicted of any charges in that case either. But what it did do is mobilize the protests to a greater degree
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I just saw an angle which shows he had not only not drawn his legally carried weapon, but an ICE goon actually pulls it from its holster, as he's curled up face-down in the fetal position trying to protect himself, and steps back with it before he's shot multiple times.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Oh, absolutely. I didn't mean it as a racist remark like the outraged 'there were RPGs fired on skyskrapers, it was like Afghanistan!' remark or 'it's so horrible to watch the footage of Ukrainian refugees, these are relatively civilized people who look like us', and I'm sorry if it came across as such. Police brutality is just as horrible no matter where it happens. I was just lamenting that the same kind of oppression Ukrainians already experience has now come to the USA, that America is now fast approaching the level of authoritarianism we see in countries like russia and Iran. Like when I saw a photo of the White House decked in gold and first thought it was the palace of some dictator in the Middle East, or when I saw that footage of the Humvee on an American road and for a second wondered if it was from America or Iraq.

Or, for that matter, when we compare what's happening in the USA to what happened in Germany 80 years ago.
Hope that cleared it up :) .
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It wasn't aimed at you personally, it's how these stories are presented and I fear it's a case of promoting the narrative that while this killing might be a little suspect, they might have been an evil furriner....
 
P.J. Denyer said:
No. One of the things I take exception to is the 'And this was done to a US Citizen...' narrative. Police brutality is not acceptable no matter who it's being inflicted on. Everyone is entitled to being treated as a human being under the law and subject to fair and humaine treatment.
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Agreed. It seems more egregious when the person is a citizen because of course ICE ought not to be interacting with them at all, but that behavior is unacceptable to anyone. I would also disagree with the notion that ICE thugs shouldbe differentiated from Americans. It's a way of distancing ourselves from the uncomfortable reality that they are. They are the natural representatives of the administration Americans are responsible for electing. We can condemn, regret, retroactively disavow their actions, and many of us can truthfully say we never wanted them, but we cannot pretend they come from anywhere but here.
 
stanfr said:
The crucial part is whether they removed the gun from him before he was shot. I can't tell. The stills of the agent walking away are not helpful because that could the the agent's weapon, he isn't holding it like it is evidence. It makes no sense that the victim would have pulled a weapon while numerous armed agents were beating him, but I cant tell from any of the video.
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There's a video posted in this thread that shows both his hands were on the ground when he was shot
 
Who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?

Sen. Hoeven: "We can't just go by what we saw on videos on social media. We've got to get the facts. But in a situation where an individual appears to have approached law enforcement, intervened while they're trying to do their job, and he has a loaded handgun, think about that."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015164125370884592
 
Andy_Ross said:
Who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?

Sen. Hoeven: "We can't just go by what we saw on videos on social media. We've got to get the facts. But in a situation where an individual appears to have approached law enforcement, intervened while they're trying to do their job, and he has a loaded handgun, think about that."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015164125370884592
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But...but...2A Rights, bro!
 
I think most of us here predicted this. I mean, duh. The cult leader expressed his desire to shoot protesters during his first reign and his storm troopers are merely granting him his wish now. The thing is, it's going to get worse; if this corrupt regime can get away with gaslighting Good and Pretti (and any opposition) as domestic terrorists, and they will, it's going to be a shooting gallery. In fact, it already is.
 
MS NOW: "I'm just getting something handed to me -- a statement from DHS -- that it will investigate the fatal shooting of a 37-year-old protester by its officers rather than the FBI. So they're gonna be investigating that which they already issued a summary about. It would seem like a closed book."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015155924801876190
 
Andy_Ross said:
MS NOW: "I'm just getting something handed to me -- a statement from DHS -- that it will investigate the fatal shooting of a 37-year-old protester by its officers rather than the FBI. So they're gonna be investigating that which they already issued a summary about. It would seem like a closed book."
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Accountability. That's what makes the difference between a just, free, first world country and a corrupt ◊◊◊◊ hole. <shrug> Oh, well. 250 years wasn't a bad run, I suppose.
 
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