What did Democrats do wrong?

[johnny karate]

Finally, absolutely no one is saying it's a good thing that people are exploiting this loophole of yours. That's an extremely dishonest take on the conversation.

I like that there's this obvious and dangerous loophole that Republicans have widely advertised for years, and yet to date no one has taken advantage of it.

It's almost as if this loophole doesn't actually exist and Republicans - who it should be noted are responsible for the overwhelming majority of illegal election activity - are lying sacks of ◊◊◊◊.

 

[Pixel42]

Which is totally why you're fighting to change UK law and eliminate the requirement for id when voting, right? Right?

Yes, the last Tory government introduced the requirement for photo ID when voting. No, I didn't agree with it at the time, and still don't; there was no more need for it here than there is in the US. No, the new Labour government haven't (yet) announced any plans to change it back. But frankly, there are far more important things which the Tories broke which I think they need to fix first. Voter ID is not as big an issue here because we haven't had anything like the amount of deliberate gerrymandering and voter suppression by our right wing party as you have. I mean, nobody here has suggested that mail in voting should be abolished.

 

[ahhell]

Yes, the last Tory government introduced the requirement for photo ID when voting. No, I didn't agree with it at the time, and still don't; there was no more need for it here than there is in the US. No, the new Labour government haven't (yet) announced any plans to change it back. But frankly, there are far more important things which the Tories broke which I think they need to fix first. Voter ID is not as big an issue here because we haven't had anything like the amount of deliberate gerrymandering and voter suppression by our right wing party as you have. I mean, nobody here has suggested that mail in voting should be abolished.

It really not that big a deal here either but then voter suppression and such isn't either, well no more than voter fraud. Which is to say they happen but just not at the scale some folks really want us to believe.

ETA: Gerrymandering is a problem but its Bipartisan. It always has been.

 

[johnny karate]

Your response seems to be Republicans are more convincing that Democrats.

Voters were obviously more convinced by Republicans in the 2024 election than Democrats, but the question comes down to whose fault that is.

If I offer you a ham sandwich and someone else offers you a ◊◊◊◊ sandwich, and you find their sales pitch more convincing, it's not my fault that you're now eating a ◊◊◊◊ sandwich. You should have been smart and aware enough to know that an obvious conman was selling you ◊◊◊◊.

 

[johnny karate]

It really not that big a deal here either but then voter suppression and such isn't either, well no more than voter fraud. Which is to say they happen but just not at the scale some folks really want us to believe.

But the voter suppression is being done by the same people claiming that voter fraud is a problem, so it makes their motives for doing both very clear.

 

[thaiboxerken]

But the voter suppression is being done by the same people claiming that voter fraud is a problem, so it makes their motives for doing both very clear.

They always claim "it's not really happening" when the fact is that it is. Hell, Trump has expressed interest in cancelling or controlling elections.

 

[dirtywick]

But the voter suppression is being done by the same people claiming that voter fraud is a problem, so it makes their motives for doing both very clear.

i would also argue the voter suppression is targeted at key counties in swing states likely to impact the razor thin margins of victory in the last few elections

 

[theprestige]

i would also argue the voter suppression is targeted at key counties in swing states likely to impact the razor thin margins of victory in the last few elections

That would be an interesting argument to see in action! Which counties did you have in mind? What kind of voter suppression tactics would you say are being used there?

 

[dirtywick]

That would be an interesting argument to see in action! Which counties did you have in mind? What kind of voter suppression tactics would you say are being used there?

i'd probably take a look at the closest margin ones in swing states, and ones being discussed in the thread

 

[arthwollipot]

The idea that illegal immigrants are voting in elections is part of the racist Great Replacement conspiracy theory, which is being spread by the likes of Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and Bari Weiss.

 

[dirtywick]

any of those guys know peter thiel?

 

[arthwollipot]

any of those guys know peter thiel?

You bet they do.

 

[ahhell]

The idea that illegal immigrants are voting in elections is part of the racist Great Replacement conspiracy theory, which is being spread by the likes of Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and Bari Weiss.

The thing that annoys me about it, the Democrats started it, there was a whole book about it and 10 years of Dems bragging about.

The Emerging Democratic Majority - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Emerging Democratic Majority is a 2002 book by John Judis and Ruy Teixeira which argued that certain demographic and social changes in the United States at the turn of the 21st century were creating a political landscape that favored the Democratic Party.

Sure, it's racist, but the Dems and the Left should be so surprised that a bunch of racist believe the Dems are deliberately doing a thing they were crowing about happening.

To be fair, that's a bit of a simplistic take on the matter but its more complicated and nuanced than pointing at a Republicans and calling them racists.

 

[dirtywick]

i've never read the book. the next line after the quote says:

The book's thesis was later disavowed by both of its writers with differing explanations.

of the authors who disavowed the work, one of them is a democratic socialist member of the media and the other apparently a senior fellow at a center right think tank.


in any case, tell me more about the book. what about it was racist, were the dems deliberately changing demographics, and how so?

 

[EHocking]

ORLY?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8985/

Yes really. My wife and I voted in a number of local and federal elections and referenda without being British citizens.
We were residents of the UK and citizens of the Commonwealth, but not UK citizens

 

[EHocking]

As a general comment... There seem to be several Canadians, Brits, and other non-Americans in this thread, taking a very strong position that the US should not require proof of citizenship and identity in order to vote for US elections.

How about you focus on making your OWN country's voting laws more lenient than they currently are, instead of demanding that the US be prohibited from having laws as strict as yours?

Australians do not require ID to vote, locally nor federally.

 

[Trausti]

But the voter suppression is being done by the same people claiming that voter fraud is a problem, so it makes their motives for doing both very clear.

What voter suppression?

 

[Trausti]

Australians do not require ID to vote, locally nor federally.

But in Australia (and in the UK), you have to prove you are a citizen to register. In the US, there's just a box to check and no verification. You can register your cat.

 

[johnny karate]

What voter suppression?

What voter fraud?

 

[Trausti]

What voter fraud?

Apartment manager accused of voter fraud, using ballots of ex-renters in Eastern Washington