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A Revolution Could Soon Be Under Way in Iran
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angrysoba
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smartcooky
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Well, the protesters are calling for the return of the exiled son of the former Shah. He has promised to set up a "constitutional monarchy". You live in one of those, so you know its a democracy.
When you are joking you really should put in a smilie. You and I both know that the monarch of Great Britain has absolutely no involvement in the government of Australia. Are you seriously suggesting that a reinstated Shah of Iran will have no involvement in a new government? ◊◊◊◊ me.
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Why Reza Pahlavi is unqualified to lead Iran | The Jerusalem Post
Reza Pahlavi is not a unifying figure, but remains a symbol of exclusion. A spent force, he is irrelevant to Iran’s future and unqualified to lead.
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smartcooky
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He is your Head of State but has no involvement in your Government... that's what a Constitutional Monarchy is - its the same in this country, and the UK and Canada.
However, I would ask how well know know your own history? Ever heard of an Australian Prime Minister by the name of Gough Whitlam, and a Governor-General called Sir John Kerr
1975 Australian constitutional crisis - Wikipedia
Nope, but I am seriously suggesting that is what he is offering... support for the idea of a constitutional monarchy. However, he also stresses that the choice of Iran's future political system rests with the Iranian people through a referendum after the current regime falls.
Iran's exiled crown prince rises as a figure in protests, decades after leaving his homeland
Nearly 50 years after the 1979 Islamic Revolution overthrew his father, exiled Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi has spurred demonstrators onto the streets in a massive escalation of the protests sweeping Iran.
apnews.com
In interviews in recent years, Pahlavi has raised the idea of a constitutional monarchy, perhaps with an elected rather than a hereditary ruler. But he has also said it is up to Iranians to choose.
“This regime is simply irreformable because the nature of it, its DNA, is such that it cannot,” Pahlavi told The Associated Press in 2017. “People have given up with the idea of reform and they think there has to be fundamental change. Now, how this change can occur is the big question.”
The naivety. So touching.He is your Head of State but has no involvement in your Government... that's what a Constitutional Monarchy is - its the same in this country, and the UK and Canada.
However, I would ask how well know know your own history? Ever heard of an Australian Prime Minister by the name of Gough Whitlam, and a Governor-General called Sir John Kerr
1975 Australian constitutional crisis - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Nope, but I am seriously suggesting that is what he is offering... support for the idea of a constitutional monarchy. However, he also stresses that the choice of Iran's future political system rests with the Iranian people through a referendum after the current regime falls.
Iran's exiled crown prince rises as a figure in protests, decades after leaving his homeland
Nearly 50 years after the 1979 Islamic Revolution overthrew his father, exiled Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi has spurred demonstrators onto the streets in a massive escalation of the protests sweeping Iran.
In interviews in recent years, Pahlavi has raised the idea of a constitutional monarchy, perhaps with an elected rather than a hereditary ruler. But he has also said it is up to Iranians to choose.“This regime is simply irreformable because the nature of it, its DNA, is such that it cannot,” Pahlavi told The Associated Press in 2017. “People have given up with the idea of reform and they think there has to be fundamental change. Now, how this change can occur is the big question.”
smartcooky
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Well, I'm prepared to take him at his word, for now.
But frankly, anything would be better than the vicious and brutal regime the Iranian people have endured for the last 46+ years.
arthwollipot
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It has happened exactly once since Federation, and there was a massive outcry over it. People were not happy, Jan, and that sort of thing will never happen a second time.
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Reporter: Iran said that they would consider military and commercial bases as legitimate targets if you struck. Are you concerned about that?
Trump: If they do that, we will hit them at levels that they’ve never been hit before.
They won’t even believe it. I have options that are so strong. So, I mean, if they did that, it’ll be met with a very, very powerful force.
Trump: If they do that, we will hit them at levels that they’ve never been hit before.
They won’t even believe it. I have options that are so strong. So, I mean, if they did that, it’ll be met with a very, very powerful force.
smartcooky
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Iran already considers these legitimate targets anyway.
theprestige
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He's not wrong about the capabilities, anyway.
Gulliver Foyle
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The progress in Persia was due to Mossadegh and his democratic government. The Pahlavi regime severely curtailed the people's freedoms because his totalitarian dictatorship was in trouble from the word go.
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There's very little limit to the things he could do, but it's less clear there's much he can do that would help.
theprestige
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Bombing IGRC facilities would be a good start.
angrysoba
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Mossadegh was only PM for a couple of years. He certainly attempted to make Iran more democratic, but of course was thwarted by the Shah and the Anglo-American-backed coup. Of course, the Shah had already been the head of state throughout Mossadegh’s tenure.
That said, although the Shah was an autocrat he did spur a lot of industrialization in the country. This is why I compare it to South Korea which was also a dictatorship but one which eventually democratized.
Of course, we will never know what could have happened because the shah was replaced by a worse system that was even more backward, which belatedly made a few attempts to modernize having squandered what it had seized and which now has also lost any legitimacy it had in the eyes of the people who may have at least put up with it for economic stability. Once the economic stability was gone there was no reason to support the regime any more.
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I'd be down with supplying arms to the populace in their fight to overthrow a tyrannical government.
angrysoba
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I'm sure the people of Minnesota will be happy for your contributions.
Andy_Ross
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Donald J. Trump
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Effective immediately, any Country doing business with the Islamic Republic of Iran will pay a Tariff of 25% on any and all business being done with the United States of America. This Order is final and conclusive. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
@realDonaldTrump
Effective immediately, any Country doing business with the Islamic Republic of Iran will pay a Tariff of 25% on any and all business being done with the United States of America. This Order is final and conclusive. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP