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Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

theprestige said:
Ideological capture means they can simply point to the received and unquestioned "wisdom" that trans-affirming care is life-saving, without having to diagnose or treat any medically-recognized underlying condition.
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I doubt whether even Planned Parenthood cares to go quite this far, just yet.

"You might be required to get a formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria to access gender-affirming care." (Link)
 
Just worth noting that the claim about "trans affirming care" reducing the chances of a child committing suicide has been shown to false. The canard that trans-quacks repeatedly use... "would you rather have a live daughter or a dead son" is emotionally manipulative claptrap. When challenged in court, under oath, advocates of this claim collapse like the proverbial house of cards.

www.city-journal.org

ACLU Attorney Confesses: Transgender-Suicide Claim is a Myth

Arguing before the Supreme Court, Chase Strangio concedes that suicide is “thankfully and admittedly rare” among transgender-identifying people.
www.city-journal.org www.city-journal.org

"In the Supreme Court, during oral arguments in U.S. v. Skrmetti, the case that challenges Tennessee’s ban on pediatric sex “change” procedures. Chase Strangio, the American Civil Liberties Union’s attorney, admitted to Justice Samuel Alito that the narrative around the risk of suicide in transgender-identified youth is false." ​

As soon as you put any of these lying bastard TRAs under oath, on the stand in a court of law, where lying attracts consequences, their story changes and they stop lying... Now I wonder why that is!!
 
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There's a trans poster on the other forum I belong to who keeps repeating that Wes Streeting is a murderer who ought to be in jail because of all the trans kids who have committed suicide since he decided to continue the temporary ban on puberty blockers, instituted by the previous government in response to the Cass report, whilst the recommended trials are run.

In my view if any trans child has committed suicide the blame lies entirely with whichever utterly irresponsible adult convinced that vulnerable child that their life would not be worth living if they didn't get to pump powerful drugs with known side effects, recently developed for an actual medical condition, into their perfectly healthy bodies.

I have not posted that view there, because I could not cope with the resulting pile on of abuse and hatred.
 
Pixel42 said:
There's a trans poster on the other forum I belong to who keeps repeating that Wes Streeting is a murderer who ought to be in jail because of all the trans kids who have committed suicide since he decided to continue the temporary ban on puberty blockers, instituted by the previous government in response to the Cass report, whilst the recommended trials are run.

In my view if any trans child has committed suicide the blame lies entirely with whichever utterly irresponsible adult convinced that vulnerable child that their life would not be worth living if they didn't get to pump powerful drugs with known side effects, recently developed for an actual medical condition, into their perfectly healthy bodies.
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Those are the sad facts of the situation

Pixel42 said:
I have not posted that view there, because I could not cope with the resulting pile on of abuse and hatred.
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I can imagine. The violence, the personal abuse and the vitriol ALWAYS comes from the TRA side... ALWAYS!
 
Pixel42 said:
There's a trans poster on the other forum I belong to who keeps repeating that Wes Streeting is a murderer who ought to be in jail because of all the trans kids who have committed suicide since he decided to continue the temporary ban on puberty blockers, instituted by the previous government in response to the Cass report, whilst the recommended trials are run.
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Has there actually been any increase in suicides since the ban? Because there was no decrease when such treatments began to be offered.
 
smartcooky said:
The violence, the personal abuse and the vitriol ALWAYS comes from the TRA side... ALWAYS!
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Always? The last time someone got their post Rule Twelved from here into AAH was less than a week ago, from the anti-TRA side. If we pretend only one side of an argument is capable of violating the norms of polite discussion and debate, we will chart a course into ever more groupthink on this topic. We'll become like Bluesky, only more cloistered.
Pixel42 said:
In my view if any trans child has committed suicide the blame lies entirely with whichever utterly irresponsible adult convinced that vulnerable child that their life would not be worth living if they didn't get to pump powerful drugs...
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I'd go a step further back to focus on the adults who thought it was okay to hold out hope of effective sex changes to children barely old enough to have reasoned their own way out of the Santa mythology—children too young to understand how sex works and how important it can be in adult relationships.
 
d4m10n said:
I doubt whether even Planned Parenthood cares to go quite this far, just yet.
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"Even" Planned Parenthood? I'm pretty sure we already know of clinics that have gone much further.
d4m10n said:
"You might be required to get a formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria to access gender-affirming care." (Link)
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This might be boilerplate lip service to the concept, not actually reflecting protocol Planned Parenthood clinicians are expected to follow.
 
theprestige said:
This might be boilerplate lip service to the concept, not actually reflecting protocol Planned Parenthood clinicians are expected to follow.
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Even in California, doctors are legally required to have documented an "appropriate prior examination and a medical indication" prior to prescribing controlled substances. Medical indication in this context means at least one symptom to be treated, in the absence of a conclusive diagnosis. Those symptoms are generally going to be the same ones listed in the DSM-5 (which I pasted in upthread at #14,507) such as an "intense desire to have the primary or secondary sex features of the other gender."

I understand that there is an activist movement to depathologize the treatment process, as evidenced by this paper arguing that we need to reconsider the "normative expectation that GAMT should result in improvements across multiple physical, psychological, and psychosocial outcomes" in favor of "alternative ethical frameworks for justifying the provision of GAMT for adolescents." This is no great surprise, given the dearth of evidence in support of the hypothesis that the abovementioned improvements are actually flowing from the current model of care.
 
d4m10n said:
Maybe...? Are we talking N. America or Europe?
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Both (though I make no claims to rates). While technically you're supposed to have a diagnosis to get a drug prescription, we know the standards for getting a diagnosis can be quite lax. We know that a lot of providers basically rubber stamped patient claims. This isn't unique to gender transition treatment either, the same thing happened with medical marijuana and I'm sure plenty of other drugs.
 
I got a medical marijuana card in California, back when they were first instituted. Cheapass office in a cheapass office building. Stoners lined up around the block. Wait my turn, sit down in a cheapass plastic chair across a cheapass desk from someone who claims to be a doctor of some kind:
-- What can I help you with?
-- I'm stressed out by my job.
-- Here's a prescription for medical marijuana. They'll print out your card back in the waiting room.

That was it. I spent more time waiting in line than I did getting a "diagnosis" and a prescription to roke fatty bowls. If weed privilege advocates have such an easy time of it, I don't see why trans privilege advocates wouldn't.
 
I don't love that the medical profession is pimping THC products by lowering their professional standards like this, but at least those are relatively harmless compared to alcohol, and nowhere near as life-altering as cross-sex hormones.
 
d4m10n said:
Always? The last time someone got their post Rule Twelved from here into AAH was less than a week ago, from the anti-TRA side. If we pretend only one side of an argument is capable of violating the norms of polite discussion and debate, we will chart a course into ever more groupthink on this topic. We'll become like Bluesky, only more cloistered.
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When was the last time you saw a group of Gender Critical people shouting down their opponents with a megaphone... or calling for transpeople to be punched, or hung or killed... When was the last time you heard of gender critical people undertaking a social media campaign to cancel trans meetings, or protests. When was the last time you heard of gender critical people running a letter writing campaign to get a transgender academic removed from their tenure at a university?
 
smartcooky said:
When was the last time you saw a group of Gender Critical people shouting down their opponents with a megaphone... or calling for transpeople to be punched, or hung or killed... When was the last time you heard of gender critical people undertaking a social media campaign to cancel trans meetings, or protests. When was the last time you heard of gender critical people running a letter writing campaign to get a transgender academic removed from their tenure at a university?
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www.theguardian.com

Teenagers jailed for ‘exceptionally brutal’ murder of Brianna Ghey

Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe were partly motivated by 16-year-old victim’s transgender identity, judge says
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
angrysoba said:
www.theguardian.com

Teenagers jailed for ‘exceptionally brutal’ murder of Brianna Ghey

Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe were partly motivated by 16-year-old victim’s transgender identity, judge says
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Did you... actually read the story?

"She told a psychiatrist she had stabbed Brianna “repeatedly” and had found it “exciting”, and that she killed her because she thought Brianna would stop being her friend. She murdered Brianna so she would “always be with her”, the court heard."​

That's really messed up, but I don't know how you draw an anti-trans motive from that. The other person said some "transphobic" stuff but there's no indication that the decision for him was motivated by transphobia either.
 
A bit telling that that's all he can find, a couple of seriously messed-up teenagers attacking a school-mate. As a response to this.

smartcooky said:
When was the last time you saw a group of Gender Critical people shouting down their opponents with a megaphone... or calling for transpeople to be punched, or hung or killed... When was the last time you heard of gender critical people undertaking a social media campaign to cancel trans meetings, or protests. When was the last time you heard of gender critical people running a letter writing campaign to get a transgender academic removed from their tenure at a university?
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Whereas there are innumerable examples of trans activists doing exactly this.
 
smartcooky said:
When was the last time you saw a group of Gender Critical people shouting down their opponents with a megaphone... or calling for transpeople to be punched, or hung or killed... When was the last time you heard of gender critical people undertaking a social media campaign to cancel trans meetings, or protests.
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These are extreme examples of personal abuse, but you made no such qualification in your original claim.
smartcooky said:
When was the last time you heard of gender critical people running a letter writing campaign to get a transgender academic removed
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Mel Curth, just a few weeks ago at my wife's alma mater.

(Go Sooners, beat 'Bama.)
 
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