Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

If you ONLY use the dictionary definition of discrimination..."the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of ethnicity, age, sex, or disability", and you try stick to that definition rigidly, and without exception, you are going to run into all sorts of anomalies and issues, for example, you will be unable to justify -

1. Keeping adults out of a children sports event because that would be unfair (age discrimination).
2. Keeping ANY male out of ANY women's only space because that would be unfair (sex discrimination)
3. Keeping heavier participants of of a lighter sports division because that would be unfair (weight discrimination).
4. Levying a premium and a higher excess (US = deductible) on a young person's car insurance because that would be unfair (age discrimination).

This is why the adults in the room understand that discrimination is more nuanced than the strict definitionists imagine. Its why we have additional terms such as "acceptable discrimination", "legal discrimination" and "positive discrimination"
 

Court documents have now revealed that in 2022, Black pleaded guilty to beating then-wife Alexis Freeman, causing a compound fracture in her jaw which needed surgery among other injuries.

@Thermal's argument will be to attack the source and claim there are no court records. Well there are court records...


...but the general public don't have access to the level of detail @Thermal will be demanding, so he'll handwave it away...

My argument is that if this is untrue, then why hasn't Black filed a libel/slander lawsuit against the source. If he has not been convicted of this, it would be trivially easy to prove, and easy money for him - winning such a lawsuit would be mere duck soup!

Furthermore, if that source is lying, then so too must be this one...


“Kyle Grant Freeman caused serious physical harm to the victim. The victim suffered a compound fractured mandible, which resulted in her needing surgery,” said court documents from Hamilton County, Ohio.
Black was sentenced to a year in prison, minus time served.
Black had been convicted of both domestic violence and drug trafficking in the past, and has faced a slew of other charges, including resisting arrest, records show.

... and this one...


Black, formerly Grant Freeman, pleaded guilty in 2022 to savagely beating his wife Alexis Freeman, causing a compound fractured jaw among other serious injuries.

... and this one...


A man who invaded women's locker room space at an LA gym, exposing himself and saying that he was transgender, has been revealed to have been convicted of beating his then-wife before he took her first name for his own. Alexis Black, formerly Grant Freeman, pleaded guilty in Ohio in 2022 to beating Alexis Freeman, who is now his ex-wife.
During the beating, he gave her a compound fractured jaw as well as other injuries. He was charged with a 3rd degree felony and was sentenced to a year in prison, minus time served. Court documents from Hamilton County, Ohio, read that "Kyle Grant Freeman caused serious physical harm to the victim. The victim suffered a compound fractured mandible, which resulted in her needing surgery."

... and this one ...


... and this one...


... and this one...


... and this one...


... and this one...


... and this one...


...and this one...


....and this one....


I predict the reaction from @Thermal will be something akin to
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What we do actually know definitively is that the reporting was entirely imaginary.
We cannot know that without access to the full case files, which do not appear to be available without a visit a county courthouse in Ohio.
And possibly because it was bull ◊◊◊◊, which we definitively know that it was.
How can you claim to know that without viewing the files and interviewing the ex-wife?
When I say hormone therapy, I mean social.media posting
Generally speaking, you need a prescription to get estradiol in the U.S.

If this person was taking it, we can assume a doctor wrote up a treatment plan for a specific condition.

Can anyone think of any non-mental illnesses for which a male patient would require synthetic female hormones?
 
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My argument is that if this is untrue, then why hasn't Black filed a libel/slander lawsuit against the source.
Indeed, this would be an open and shut case in his favor. The accusations are such that it would be covered by defamation pro se (no need to prove damages), it's trivial to prove that lots of people saw the defamation, the claims are of a factual nature and not opinion, and he was a private figure not a public figure so the threshold for intent is also easy to meet.

If he's not guilty of physically abusing his ex-wife, then he should absolutely sue for defamation, and he would absolutely win. Fabricating claims of court documents (rather than making up a quote from a person or even an anonymous source) is about the stupidest thing a journalist could do if they're trying to make stuff up. Occam's razor: they didn't fabricate the quote, the court documents are real, they just aren't publicly available online.
 

Court documents have now revealed that in 2022, Black pleaded guilty to beating then-wife Alexis Freeman, causing a compound fracture in her jaw which needed surgery among other injuries.

@Thermal's argument will be to attack the source and claim there are no court records.
No, Thermal's argument is that the low credibility far right sources all make the same claim in the same wording, all ultimately citing the same source that we identified a month ago: the NY Post, who presents zero evidence. The other Seig Heil websites merely parrot the same claim.
"ERROR 0626: Direct access to the system is not permitted". Good job, smartcooky.

But plugging in the case number you have in your link, it links to the same case that was posted a month ago (it would be great if you got up to speed once in a while). We've already looked at it; the police responded to the wife claiming Grant hit her head against a toilet seat. The police got there, and Grant wouldn't let them in, so they forced their way in, and charged him with obstruction. Nowhere is a vicim with 'a compound fracture to the mandible' mentioned, nor does Grant appear on Ohio inmate searches having spent a year in the pokey for this crime, per the Post's claim.

Conclusion: the Post's story is bull ◊◊◊◊, fed to far right readers that don't understand that there is zero evidence of the claims.
...but the general public don't have access to the level of detail @Thermal will be demanding, so he'll handwave it away...
Yeah, just an insurmountably high bar, right? I ask for something more than the word of Rupert Murdoch's tabloid.
My argument is that if this is untrue, then why hasn't Black filed a libel/slander lawsuit against the source. If he has not been convicted of this, it would be trivially easy to prove, and easy money for him - winning such a lawsuit would be mere duck soup!
Of course it would. Broke ass Freeman against the Post's army of lawyers who will drag it out for years, hiding behind source confidentiality, and possibly being made to print a correction/retraction on their back page some day.

Also, do you have a direct line to Freeman or his attorneys? Do you know if he hasn't settled the matter with them for a quickie check and a NDA?
The same wording as the Post, yes, almost verbatim. I take it you are unaware that rags quote and paraphrase each other?
... and this one...

Oh, good job, you found the original unevidenced Post article that we identified a month ago!
...Same claims, same wording, no source or evidence, and the New York Post story is the link to their claims...
... and this one ...

"...per a report from the New York Post...'
... and this one...

Christian post also says "...the New York Post reports..."
... and this one...

...same claim, same wording, no evidence...
... and this one...

..."according to the New York Post...'
Madspace (?) opens to the previous article by IJR, which cites "...according to the New York Post..."
... and this one...

"From the New York Post..."
"According to the New York Post..."
....and this one....

Twitchy repeatedly quoting and citing the New York Post.
I predict the reaction from @Thermal will be something akin to
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Your prediction, as usual, fails miserably. You have demonstrated here that you still don't understand that a bunch of far right sources making the same claim and citing the same source, which provides zero evidence, is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid.

This would be easy to prove: the claim is that these are public court records. Why are they not simply posted? Surprise, surprise, because they don't exist. Ohio provides an inmate search database. Why isn't Freeman's alleged one year stretch recorded? His stay for failure to comply related to the coke charges is there. Maybe it's a conspiracy, smartcooky?
 
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We cannot know that without access to the full case files, which do not appear to be available without a visit a county courthouse in Ohio.
We can and do know exactly what he was convicted of in Ohio via online sources. We can and do know exactly when he served time in Ohio, and for what offences. The post's claims fail on these primary sources, so we know enough to dismiss further unevidenced claims pending something substantial. "That which is claimed without evidence..."
How can you claim to know that without viewing the files and interviewing the ex-wife?
Do we really need to run down the burden of proof for you? "Well, we haven't proven Freeman didn't sodomize puppies on January 2, 2025, so let's keep talking about it as if it is credible."
 
We can and do know exactly what he was convicted of in Ohio via online sources.
You claimed that the NY Post's "reporting was entirely imaginary" on specific factual points. If we want to evaluate the truth of that claim, we're going to need more detail than convictions alone, because the elements of the crime of battery (for example) do not specify whether someone's jaw was broken (again, for example). They are much more general, by design.
We can and do know exactly when he served time in Ohio, and for what offences.
See above.
"That which is claimed without evidence..."
The evidence was cited as "court documents from Hamilton County" in the NY Post story which you have characterized as "entirely imaginary."

You may be correct, it is entirely possible that journalistic standards at the that outlet have slipped so much that reporters (or their AI tools) are hallucinating details from fictional court documents.

We do not have enough information to know whether you are correct, though, without access to the case files themselves.

Do we really need to run down the burden of proof for you?

No, but I'd be delighted if you'd address the only question I asked which was clearly on-topic here in That Thread.

Can you think of any non-mental illnesses for which a male patient would require synthetic female hormones?
 
The evidence was cited as "court documents from Hamilton County" in the NY Post story which you have characterized as "entirely imaginary."
They appear to be so. The evidence was not cited, merely claimed. No one anywhere has produced evidence.

{eta: do you agree that the standard for a citation should be precise enough that it can be referenced by others? Waving your hand vaguely and saying "I got that from the gubmint" is not a citation.}
No, but I'd be delighted if you'd address the only question I asked which was clearly on-topic here in That Thread.

Can you think of any non-mental illnesses for which a male patient would require synthetic female hormones?
Don't know, don't care. It makes not an iota of difference in my thinking on transpeople.
 
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Don't know, don't care. It makes not an iota of difference in my thinking on transpeople.
I'm not trying to change your mind on transfolk generally; I am trying to address your earlier claim that Alexis Black never suffered from gender dysphoria. I cannot say definitively that your claim is false, but it seems rather likely to me that she meets several of the diagnostic criteria, which would explain why someone with a medical license decided to prescribe cross-sex hormones to treat her condition.
 
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In non-crackhead delusionary trans news, Texas has set state troopers to check for biological sex in women's rest rooms. Yes, The Penis Police are here!
The Penis Police knowingly let some transwomen in, when their ID said Female, so I'm not sure how good they are at their jobs. Of course, they were not stationed at the men's room.

Who's taking bets that male-looking women were harrassed by this, too? It's part of the Endgame here, methinks, that this is a conservative enforcement effort to make only girly looking gals socially acceptable. I'm sure we can rely on those male troopers to know what they are doing. Experts, you see.
 
I'm not trying to change your mind on transfolk generally; I am trying to address your earlier claim that Alexis Black never suffered from gender dysphoria. I cannot say definitively that your claim is false, but it seems rather likely to me that she meets several of the diagnostic criteria, which would explain why someone with a medical license decided to prescribe cross-sex hormones to treat her condition.
Ok. Hey, do you know you can get Oxy and pot with a doctor's note? Whiplash will net you a check, too.
 
No, Thermal's argument is that the low credibility far right sources all make the same claim in the same wording, all ultimately citing the same source that we identified a month ago: the NY Post, who presents zero evidence. The other Seig Heil websites merely parrot the same claim.

"ERROR 0626: Direct access to the system is not permitted". Good job, smartcooky.

But plugging in the case number you have in your link, it links to the same case that was posted a month ago (it would be great if you got up to speed once in a while). We've already looked at it; the police responded to the wife claiming Grant hit her head against a toilet seat. The police got there, and Grant wouldn't let them in, so they forced their way in, and charged him with obstruction. Nowhere is a vicim with 'a compound fracture to the mandible' mentioned, nor does Grant appear on Ohio inmate searches having spent a year in the pokey for this crime, per the Post's claim.

Conclusion: the Post's story is bull ◊◊◊◊, fed to far right readers that don't understand that there is zero evidence of the claims.

Yeah, just an insurmountably high bar, right? I ask for something more than the word of Rupert Murdoch's tabloid.

Of course it would. Broke ass Freeman against the Post's army of lawyers who will drag it out for years, hiding behind source confidentiality, and possibly being made to print a correction/retraction on their back page some day.

Also, do you have a direct line to Freeman or his attorneys? Do you know if he hasn't settled the matter with them for a quickie check and a NDA?

The same wording as the Post, yes, almost verbatim. I take it you are unaware that rags quote and paraphrase each other?

Oh, good job, you found the original unevidenced Post article that we identified a month ago!

...Same claims, same wording, no source or evidence, and the New York Post story is the link to their claims...

"...per a report from the New York Post...'

Christian post also says "...the New York Post reports..."

...same claim, same wording, no evidence...

..."according to the New York Post...'

Madspace (?) opens to the previous article by IJR, which cites "...according to the New York Post..."

"From the New York Post..."

"According to the New York Post..."

Twitchy repeatedly quoting and citing the New York Post.

Your prediction, as usual, fails miserably. You have demonstrated here that you still don't understand that a bunch of far right sources making the same claim and citing the same source, which provides zero evidence, is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid.

This would be easy to prove: the claim is that these are public court records. Why are they not simply posted? Surprise, surprise, because they don't exist. Ohio provides an inmate search database. Why isn't Freeman's alleged one year stretch recorded? His stay for failure to comply related to the coke charges is there. Maybe it's a conspiracy, smartcooky?
Handwave, handwave, handwave, handwave. Youre presented with multiple sources and you pretend theyre not real. See my signature!
 
Handwave, handwave, handwave, handwave. Youre presented with multiple sources and you pretend theyre not real. See my signature!
Having trouble reading yet again? The sources all cite the same story, which is being laughed at for not providing any evidence, and its facts are contradicted by the actual Ohio correctional records.

Where do you see Freeman serving this one year stretch?
 
Fair... but please realize that females are currently expected to roll those dice on a regular basis, and if we don't want to toss them we get called names, threatened with rape or death, harassed on social media, and hounded out of jobs.
I do, and sympathize greatly. I don't want women to feel unsafe, nor do I want to ◊◊◊◊ on transpeople. That's why I'm looking for Option 3.
 
But probably consequences will go right on not happening. Meanwhile this creepy man continues as headmaster of various schools, including primary schools, pushing the trans agenda, and being so fearful that he couldn't even give evidence until a screen was placed between him nd the woman he was victimising.
Is there no means for the victim to sue the school system that violated their privacy, and to press charges against this creep for harassment?
 
Hey, do you know you can get Oxy and pot with a doctor's note?
Have you any evidence that Alexis pursued hormone therapy using black market drugs instead of going to the local gender clinician to get a prescription?
 
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Why do you ask?
Because you claimed that she never suffered from gender dysphoria.

I think we can reasonably conclude this to be untrue, because the hormone therapy she undertook was designed to treat gender dysphoria rather than any other condition which arises in males.
 
To be clear, your hypothesis here is that the fellow who beat his wife and then took her name is an example of mental health rather than illness?
And who purportedly told a Tish Hyman that "most women like to see dick" when Hyman objected to the presence of a fully intact male in the female gym showers watching her bathe without consent.
 

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