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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Darat said:
Yep - in the UK it is entirely legal - there is simply no classification of "barely legal" - it is either legal or not.

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Just did a quick check for DVDs available in the UK, asked DuckDuckGo search for "UK sellers of pornographic DVDs", the first choice was this one:
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On the page that came up, there was a search option, I type "barley" into the search option, this was the result - pixelization added by me:

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Those are legally available in the UK with a BBFC classification that makes them legal to sell as DVDs.
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On the BBFC website, 'Hustler Barely Legal Vol. 3' produces no results when searched. Can't read the title of the other one you cited.
 
Update: Young Harlots Classroom Special is on the BBFC website - it only appears if you apply: Show adult content (this may include explicit and/or offensive titles) @Lithrael

Neither 'Corrupt Schoolgirls 6' nor 'Hustler Barely Legal Vol. 3' appear when this is applied. It is possible that these two titles are illegal. I can only assume that Young Harlots Classroom Special does not show intention to mimic a child.
 
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acbytesla said:
As opposed to the nonsense you keep posting? You cannot know who is watching legal pornography is inclined to collecting kiddie porn. If anyone. You must understand that just because you or anyone else says it, doesn't make it true. This is like arguing with a Christian when they claim there is evidence for God. They never ever present anything close to any credible evidence EVER. And you haven't proven or presented any credible evidence that watching "barely legal" porn or pornography of adults wearing schoolgirl uniforms causes people to seek out kiddie porn.
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There are no good reasons for making content for adults that blurs the line between porn and child abuse.
 
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acbytesla said:
I agree.
And none if what you're referring to does.

That's what makes it nonsense.
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And the UK will put you in prison for any attempt to demonstrate what can only be described as reckless, self-entitlement.
 
Poem said:
I'm confused - Lithrael claims R18 DVDs such as Corrupt Schoolgirls 6 & Young Harlots Classroom Special (about which Lithrael claims they would be banned as barely legal type material if my claims are correct) are available at yourchoicedvd.co.uk.
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They are. Maybe they shouldn't be. The mail order situation is weird is all. It's an interesting side issue.

The point is that it's an example of a DVD released with an R18 rating from the BBFC, meaning the BBFC looked at it and decided it's not the type of material the law intended to target as 'pretending to be children' etc.

I picked it as an example because it had several young ladies in school uniforms featured prominently on the cover. The disappointed review backs up the premise: "Shot entirely on one crummy set, a raw brick classroom, it merely presents five vignettes of school girls having sex and being punished."

ETA: Oh ok cool you found it. Seeing how obnoxious it is to find info without just walking into a sex shop in the UK, I'll decline to go looking for other examples.
 

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acbytesla said:
No they won't.
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And the reckless entitlement continues.

It has been demonstrated (#4,289) that the UK does ban material that deliberately attempts to depict what looks like underage porn and you have present nothing that challenges that. Whilst there remains a loophole regarding internet depictions, that will almost certainly be closed in the coming months.

There is nothing stopping you citing an expert or reputable newspaper article etc that actually counters this.
 
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Lithrael said:
They are. Maybe they shouldn't be. The mail order situation is weird is all. It's an interesting side issue.

The point is that it's an example of a DVD released with an R18 rating from the BBFC, meaning the BBFC looked at it and decided it's not the type of material the law intended to target as 'pretending to be children' etc.

I picked it as an example because it had several young ladies in school uniforms featured prominently on the cover. The disappointed review backs up the premise: "Shot entirely on one crummy set, a raw brick classroom, it merely presents five vignettes of school girls having sex and being punished."

ETA: Oh ok cool you found it. Seeing how obnoxious it is to find info without just walking into a sex shop in the UK, I'll decline to go looking for other examples.
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I'm attempting to seek clarification on these DVDs and their legality.
 
Poem said:
It has been demonstrated (#4,289) that the UK does ban material that deliberately attempts to depict what looks like underage porn and you have present nothing that challenges that. Whilst there remains a loophole regarding internet depictions, that will almost certainly be closed in the coming months.
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Poem!! He's not arguing with that. He's arguing that porn with a cosplay student setting is not what the law means when it says it's illegal for porn performers pretend to be children. That's all.
 
Lithrael said:
Poem!! He's not arguing with that. He's arguing that porn with a cosplay student setting is not what the law means when it says it's illegal for porn performers pretend to be children. That's all.
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Citation.
 
Poem said:
And the reckless entitlement continues.

It has been demonstrated (#4,289) that the UK does ban material that deliberately attempts to depict what looks like underage porn and you have present nothing that challenges that. Whilst there remains a loophole regarding internet depictions, that will almost certainly be closed in the coming months.

There is nothing stopping you citing an expert or reputable newspaper article etc that actually counters this.
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Lithrael said:
Poem!! He's not arguing with that. He's arguing that porn with a cosplay student setting is not what the law means when it says it's illegal for porn performers pretend to be children. That's all.
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He has a reading comprehension problem. It doesn't mean what he says it means. Adult cosplay isn't child abuse either.
 
Poem said:
And still nothing...no expert, no article.

Nothing.
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That's because we care about arguments based on reason, not lists of who agrees with whom.

All your arguments are "someone agrees with me." Whether it's some special interest group, another forum member, or even "the majority of humanity since forever" (which you've been unable to substantiate in any way). Those arguments are irrelevant even in the occasional cases where they're true.
 
Poem said:
And still nothing...no expert, no article.

Nothing.
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Why do I need that? You already pointed out Bonnie Blue. And that is the tip of the iceberg of what is out there. It's legal until they make it illegal. Finally consensual sex among young adults is not child abuse.
 
acbytesla said:
Why do I need that? You already pointed out Bonnie Blue. And that is the tip of the iceberg of what is out there. It's legal until they make it illegal. Finally consensual sex among young adults is not child abuse.
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Just another way of proving the OP given all I have been saying (ad nauseum). I am asking you to cite an authority that contradicts this kind of thing:

The Guardian (28th June 2025)
Officials at the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) guided her through short clips of extreme material to help her understand the nature of easily available harmful content. She remains disturbed by the material she saw – content designed to appear to be child sexual abuse, set in children’s bedrooms – roles played by young girls, who may be over 18 but are acting as children. “The titles are very problematic, things like: ‘Daddy’s going to come home and give his daughter a good seeing to’ or ‘Oops I’ve gone too far and now she’s dead’ or ‘Kidnap and kill a hooker.’” This content would be prohibited by the BBFC in the offline world, but is unregulated online.

You have already demonstrated that you have nothing.
 
For the nth time, Poem, nobody is arguing with "This content would be prohibited by the BBFC in the offline world, but is unregulated online." They are arguing that school uniform cosplay porn is not "this content."
 
Lithrael said:
For the nth time, Poem, nobody is arguing with "This content would be prohibited by the BBFC in the offline world, but is unregulated online." They are arguing that school uniform cosplay porn is not "this content."
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This is vague L. My citation from The Guardian above is pretty clear. Posters have made it crystal clear they are not happy with the UK's ban. They aren't interested in anything except whether they are over 18.
 
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Lithrael said:
For the nth time, Poem, nobody is arguing with "This content would be prohibited by the BBFC in the offline world, but is unregulated online." They are arguing that school uniform cosplay porn is not "this content."
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As I said, he has trouble with reading comprehension.
 
Poem said:
This is vague L. My citation from The Guardian above is pretty clear. Posters have made it crystal clear they are not happy with the UK's ban.
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Oooh, The Guardian is clear. :dl: As if the article changes the fact that similar porn is ubiquitous and no one is in the dock, much less prison.
 
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