Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[theprestige]

I misunderstand, am wrong and misuse Darat's quote - but, as usual, no explanation.

Yes. Because, as usual, I'm not talking to Darat. I'm talking to you.

 

[theprestige]

Again, not substantiated. The notion that MAPs don't consume this type of content is fanciful.

MAP is a synonym for pedophile. Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children, not sexually mature young adults. It's literally the sexual maturation process that turns off pedophiles. That's the defining characteristic of the condition.

You are doing the rose-coloured glasses thing with extreme content. Why are you doing so? What is your interest?

Sexually mature young adults performing basic legal sex acts is not extreme content.

 

[Lithrael]

Hm. Well. I finally got bored enough to check what kind of DVDs are actually ok to sell in the UK.

Your Choice DVD, which says it's been in the biz since 1987, sells a number of titles featuring performers in school uniforms. They're rated R18. "Corrupt Schoolgirls 6," "Young Harlots Classroom Special," etc...

Unless this site is a honeypot and the rated DVDs fake, Poem has been telling porkies misinterpreting the law.

 

[Poem]

MAP is a synonym for pedophile. Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children, not sexually mature young adults. It's literally the sexual maturation process that turns off pedophiles. That's the defining characteristic of the condition.

Your are focusing on the narrow clinical definition. Legal definitions are broader.

Sexually mature young adults performing basic legal sex acts is not extreme content.

Have posted ad nauseum on the UK's position but you rejected it all. Darat went further than myself and averred that content that intentionally attempts to portray underage sex is already covered by UK law. The experts, however, affirm that the law needs tightening for online content.

Again, for someone who claims to believe that porn is harmful, this should have been a chance to, at the very least, express caution. Instead your are doubling down.

I have in no way misunderstood Darat's comments.

 

[Poem]

Hm. Well. I finally got bored enough to check what kind of DVDs are actually ok to sell in the UK.

Your Choice DVD, which says it's been in the biz since 1987, sells a number of titles featuring performers in school uniforms. They're rated R18. "Corrupt Schoolgirls 6," "Young Harlots Classroom Special," etc...

Unless this site is a honeypot and the rated DVDs fake, Poem has been telling porkies misinterpreting the law.

BBFC seeks to extend its monitoring role to include online pornography

The British Board of Film Classification has classified offline pornography for 40 years, but wants to expand its remit

www.theguardian.com

Research conducted by the BBFC found that one in three adult users had been exposed to violent or abusive content online in the past three months, seeing material depicting physical violence, nonconsensual activity and adults role-playing as children.

This material would not have been classified as legal for viewing in cinemas or allowed to be sold on physical formats (videos or DVDs) by the organisation, but it does not reach the threshold of illegal content online, so is not part of Ofcom’s remit.

 

[theprestige]

In other words you have determined that no MAPs are consuming this content?

MAP is a propaganda euphemism for pedophile. Of course they're not consuming content featuring sexually mature young adults.

 

[acbytesla]

Poem just keeps making it up as he goes. No Poem, MAPs or pedophiles don't load up on "barely legal" or sexually mature adults pornography. Pedos have a particular taste and that taste is not even 15 year olds, let alone 18 to 30 year olds.

 

[Lithrael]

Research conducted by the BBFC found that one in three adult users had been exposed to violent or abusive content online in the past three months, seeing material depicting physical violence, nonconsensual activity and adults role-playing as children.

This material would not have been classified as legal for viewing in cinemas or allowed to be sold on physical formats (videos or DVDs) by the organisation, but it does not reach the threshold of illegal content online, so is not part of Ofcom’s remit.

Poem. I literally was just looking at DVD media rated R18 by the BBFC and being sold legally on DVD in the UK that was the exact same thing you keep claiming IS CURRENTLY illegal on DVD.

The BBFC have clearly already looked at 'schoolgirl cosplay' as a category and do NOT consider it, as a genre, to count as 'depicting the participants as underage' or as 'children.'

How else are these 'school uniform, classroom setting' DVDs on sale in the UK with an R18 rating from the BBFC?

DVD media, on sale, properly rated, UK. Not 'online content.'

 

[theprestige]

In before "Darat disagrees with you. Checkmate, pedo."

 

[Poem]

Hm. Well. I finally got bored enough to check what kind of DVDs are actually ok to sell in the UK.

Your Choice DVD, which says it's been in the biz since 1987, sells a number of titles featuring performers in school uniforms. They're rated R18. "Corrupt Schoolgirls 6," "Young Harlots Classroom Special," etc...

Unless this site is a honeypot and the rated DVDs fake, Poem has been telling porkies misinterpreting the law.

You have seen the DVD you cite?

 

[Poem]

MAP is a propaganda euphemism for pedophile.

It delineates those who have not actual carried out abuse.

Of course they're not consuming content featuring sexually mature young adults.

Meaningless.

 

[acbytesla]

It delineates those who have not actual carried out abuse.

Meaningless.

As opposed to the nonsense you keep posting? You cannot know who is watching legal pornography is inclined to collecting kiddie porn. If anyone. You must understand that just because you or anyone else says it, doesn't make it true. This is like arguing with a Christian when they claim there is evidence for God. They never ever present anything close to any credible evidence EVER. And you haven't proven or presented any credible evidence that watching "barely legal" porn or pornography of adults wearing schoolgirl uniforms causes people to seek out kiddie porn.

 

[Lithrael]

You have seen the DVD you cite?

I only looked up one of them, but yeah, I saw photos of the front (including the BBFC rating box) and back, some stills, and a scathing review on IMDB (apparantly it is crap but it was nice to see Sahara Knite).

 

[arthwollipot]

@Poem you're just changing your avatar constantly now in order to annoy me, aren't you?

Indeed, but is there any suggestion that bisexuals are more likely to watch porn more often than those that aren't (bisexual)? That one might develop bisexuality the more one watches seems more likely.

More likely that a young bisexual person who doesn't yet know that they're bisexual can be clued in by watching porn.

Rat studies have shown that it is possible to induce same-sex preferences (though that does not necessarily extrapolate to humans).

I'm going to need a citation on that.

#4,590 suggests that some users' tastes will evolve which may include bisexuality etc. (To be clear, I am NOT averring anything specific about acbytesla.)

It's entirely possible for peoples' sexual preferences to change over time. I know mine have.

Pedophilia is not a kink. It's a mental disorder.

It's actually not. It's a paraphilia, like any other. It's just an illegal one. Paraphilia is not a mental disorder.

 

[Lithrael]

Incidentally, if I'm reading this stuff right, it's illegal to buy any porn on DVD or in print in the UK from a UK vendor by normal mail order, but rather only in brick and mortar stores in person, ostensibly to make sure only 18+ people have access. You have to sorta shimmy shimmy and have a third party outside the UK jump through some export/import regs and mail it to you instead. No idea if/how hard this is enforced.

This would seem to explain why I can't find more extensive info about what kind of porn is available on DVD in the UK via the internet.

 

[arthwollipot]

Adult content creator banned from Bali after studio raid involving Australians

A high-profile British adult content creator will be banned from Bali for 10 years after police raided a "studio" on the island, in which 14 Australians were found.

www.abc.net.au

For the non-Australians reading, "Schoolies week" is a week-long party that school leavers traditionally throw after their final exams. Bali is a popular destination for Schoolies.

Schoolies week - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notably, Ms Billinger was not found to have committed any crime regarding pornography. She was thrown out for "misusing her visa".

 

[arthwollipot]

Also, because I didn't actually know much about her, I found this bit of the above article interesting:

Ms Billinger has faced significant criticism in recent years, particularly over sexualised stunts.

So she's an attention-seeker. She goes out of her way to be edgy in public. She's not your typical porn star. Most porn performers just do the work and get paid, they don't engage in "sexualised stunts" for publicity.

 

[Poem]

Poem. I literally was just looking at DVD media rated R18 by the BBFC and being sold legally on DVD in the UK that was the exact same thing you keep claiming IS CURRENTLY illegal on DVD.

The BBFC have clearly already looked at 'schoolgirl cosplay' as a category and do NOT consider it, as a genre, to count as 'depicting the participants as underage' or as 'children.'

How else are these 'school uniform, classroom setting' DVDs on sale in the UK with an R18 rating from the BBFC?

DVD media, on sale, properly rated, UK. Not 'online content.'

Films / DVDs etc are searchable on the BBFC website.

For example, I found Cast Away (rated 12). I also found Breaking the Waves (rated 18) about which they say:

Scenes of sexual activity feature strong detail, including sight of thrusting and sight of a woman touching a man's penis. There are also strong verbal sex references.

When I searched for Corrupt Schoolgirls 6 and Young Harlots Classroom Special there were no results.

 

[Darat]

Incidentally, if I'm reading this stuff right, it's illegal to buy any porn on DVD or in print in the UK from a UK vendor by normal mail order, but rather only in brick and mortar stores in person, ostensibly to make sure only 18+ people have access. You have to sorta shimmy shimmy and have a third party outside the UK jump through some export/import regs and mail it to you instead. No idea if/how hard this is enforced.

This would seem to explain why I can't find more extensive info about what kind of porn is available on DVD in the UK via the internet.

That apllies to the R18 certificate, those can only be purchased in a licensed sex shop. There are less and less of those certificates issued, because the BBFC has been legally challenged and lost cases in which they tried to slap on a R18 certificate simply because a movie/video showed actual sex acts and were forced to issue an 18 certificate.

 

[Poem]

I'm confused - Lithrael claims R18 DVDs such as Corrupt Schoolgirls 6 & Young Harlots Classroom Special (about which Lithrael claims they would be banned as barely legal type material if my claims are correct) are available at yourchoicedvd.co.uk.