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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
Those watching the infamous Bonnie Blue classroom video aren't MAPs?
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If they are they're going to be very disappointed, because the performers do not look like minors.

That these performers were chosen for looking young does not mean they look like minors.

Your protests on this are reaching the point where I'm genuinely starting to wonder if you know what obviously minor minors look like.

Poem said:
(...) the initial attraction is what (...) ?
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I think maybe part of your misapprehension here is that the 'classroom' setting is about a teacher's fantasy. The typical 'classroom' fantasy is for someone who is or remembers being a student and is enjoying a fantasy about doing something with attractive teachers or fellow students.

Do you guys want an example of a classroom fantasy that's full of actual minors? Here ya go.

 
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The study (not peer-reviewed btw) showed that the effect was more noticeable in women, which could be interpreted in various ways - maybe they just realused that marital sex they had been having was boring? They very clearly state that they think that the data shows causation. Not very convincing, not even if you agree that divirce is inherently bad. Which i don't.

And no, Poem, those girls do not look underage at all, and would no appeal to pedophiles, nor can you be turned into a pedophile by watching them; your sexuality does not work like that.
 
Poem said:
What is more notable is your agreement on the triviality of Bonnie Blue's school classroom orgy with actors intentionally chosen and dressed to have the appearance of underage.
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No, I really think you resorting to scientific corroboration of one of your claims is by far the more notable event in this thread.
Poem said:
Darat (UK based) says you'll go to prison for watching it.
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No he doesn't. And stop trying to make other members your proxies in this debate. Speak for yourself.

Poem said:
Your claim that porn is harmful is looking a little feeble.
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Of course it looks feeble. It's not a claim: It's an unsupported assumption of mine.

Meanwhile you're over here trying to conflate sexually mature young adults with prepubescent children for some reason. I wish you would stick to one point long enough to see it through, rather than disengaging and bouncing around whenever you lose traction.
 
theprestige said:
No, I really think you resorting to scientific corroboration of one of your claims is by far the more notable event in this thread.
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Yeah! I may not think the paper is very strong but I'm still glad to see Poem link us to someone making an attempt to get some data together.
 
Poem said:
Another God on the forum?
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Why so rude? I mean it's been substantiated to my satisfaction. If I were concerned about satisfying you, I might make an effort to substantiate it for you as well. But, I used up all of my good faith towards your arguments a long time ago. So now you're on your own.

Poem said:
No, you made an assertion which you can't back up. You wimped out.
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Why so rude? You're not entitled to me taking on your burden of proof. You're not entitled to demand that I change your mind.

You aren't satisfied with simply making your case the best you can, and then letting others make up their own minds. Instead, you have to try to force everyone into your program, by every shallow and cowardly rhetorical trick you can think of. Everything from reversing the burden of proof, to gish-galloping, to poisoning the well, to trying to use other people as proxies when you can't figure out how to argue your own point in your own words effectively.

Poem said:
Well, that didn't happen.
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It absolutely did. You tried to imply that people who disagreed with you were pedophiles.

Poem said:
What is happening when a person pleasures themselves to that Bonnie Blue content?
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You tell me. It's your argument. Make your own case.
 
Regarding the plasticity of taste here's someone who has "watched a lot of porn and have for 50 years":

I would argue that watching porn has no relationship to being or not being a feminist. Women watch porn. It's not just men. There is lots of porn that specifically cater to women. Now individually, it might not do anything for you. But even that is a generalization. You may have not found the right pornography for you. People, not women, not men, like what they like. I think it's also important to understand that our tastes change. What did it for you before is boring today. And things you couldn't imagine being interested in when you're younger now are delicious.
 
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theprestige said:
No he doesn't.
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Why don't you check your facts before posting?
Darat said:
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In the UK it is illegal to produce or consume any pornography that depicts the participants as being under 18 regardless of the participants actual age. To do so could lead to you being imprisoned for up to 10 years, heavy fines and being for the rest of your life on the "sex offenders" list.
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And just to be clear and remind anyone else following - I said: Darat (UK based) says you'll go to prison for watching it (the 'it' being the Bonnie Blue school classroom content).
theprestige said:
And stop trying to make other members your proxies in this debate. Speak for yourself.
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Quoting other members is perfectly appropriate.
theprestige said:
Of course it looks feeble. It's not a claim: It's an unsupported assumption of mine.
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Of which you appear to take every opportunity to undermine.
theprestige said:
Meanwhile you're over here trying to conflate sexually mature young adults with prepubescent children for some reason.
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No. Please stop saying this.
theprestige said:
I wish you would stick to one point long enough to see it through, rather than disengaging and bouncing around whenever you lose traction.
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iyho
 
arthwollipot said:
Sure, but it's hardly scientific, is it? It's a survey of xHamster users, that's all.
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Indeed, but is there any suggestion that bisexuals are more likely to watch porn more often than those that aren't (bisexual)? That one might develop bisexuality the more one watches seems more likely. Rat studies have shown that it is possible to induce same-sex preferences (though that does not necessarily extrapolate to humans).

#4,590 suggests that some users' tastes will evolve which may include bisexuality etc. (To be clear, I am NOT averring anything specific about acbytesla.)
 
theprestige said:
You aren't satisfied with simply making your case the best you can, and then letting others make up their own minds. Instead, you have to try to force everyone into your program, by every shallow and cowardly rhetorical trick you can think of. Everything from reversing the burden of proof, to gish-galloping, to poisoning the well, to trying to use other people as proxies when you can't figure out how to argue your own point in your own words effectively.
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iyho and about as rude as my 'God' post....so not all that.
theprestige said:
It absolutely did. You tried to imply that people who disagreed with you were pedophiles.
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Again, in the UK the law is what has been stated (though there is a grey area when it comes to the online world compared to the offline but the coming Crime and Policing Bill should clear that up). My original statement regarding MAPs was a fair one given the nature of the Bonnie Blue content...at least from a UK perspective. There is a reason why this content is deemed harmful and illegal and your trivialisation of it is...well, extremely provocative. I have already quoted Michael Sheath from that Guardian article.
 
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theprestige said:
You tell me. It's your argument. Make your own case.
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They are feeding a MAP appetite; why else would someone seek it out? Since you question bias - I'll, yet again, put it back to you: porn users will be too - desensitisation will occur to some degree.
 
You mean people are influenced by what they see? So?

As opposed to hearing in church that homosexuality is an abomination? Or that if a man lay with a man or if a woman lay with a woman they should be stoned?
 
acbytesla said:
As opposed to hearing in church that homosexuality is an abomination? Or that if a man lay with a man or if a woman lay with a woman they should be stoned?
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Everyone draws the line somewhere. What we do know (and what is actually on topic) is that children are being hyper-sexualised and barely legal porn is blurring lines. The porn industry would benefit from a reduction in the legal age and they are de facto facilitating as much...they are literally feeding that appetite.
 
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Poem said:
Everyone draws the line somewhere. What we do know (and what is actually on topic) is that children are being hyper-sexualised and barely legal porn is blurring lines. The porn industry would benefit from a reduction in the legal age and they are de facto facilitating as much...they are literally feeding that appetite.
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Can you try to be more hyperbolic? Total NONSENSE. This is none of that.
 
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