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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Lithrael said:
There are plenty of religious adherents that absolutely do not want their kids going to a Christian sermon, and a lot of Christians who don't want their kids going to a Christian sermon at the wrong church.

And that's before you even get into the branches that are so obviously culty that other Christians start saying they're not even Christian, art of the big guy at the front be damned.

Not to mention the various groups that liked the religion (and culture) they already had, thank you very much, and have had to deal with missionaries and proselytisers taking their kids to 'save' them.
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You are misunderstanding my point #4,500.
 
Lithrael said:
If you want me to respond you'll have to spell out exactly what accusations you mean. My guessing will just go up a blind alley. Like, the last clear statememt I made was that it's hard work to design a survey that gets you data that's reliable enough to do anything with. Where's MY inaccurate survey? All I've done in here is plonk down a couple of anecdotes, 'five minutes to check' type stuff.
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There will be inaccuracies on both sides - whether for of against porn and if you were to cite a study from the porn industry it would be liable to the same kind of criticism you have levelled.

Either way, you haven't established that the BBFC study is inaccurate.
Lithrael said:
Like, sure, my impression of the Bonnie Blue 'classroom' Orgy not featuring any performers who actually look underage could be misleading or wrong. Is it?
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The view of a single porn apologist is to be taken seriously?
 
God told King David that since you laid with this women in secret, I'll shall rise up trouble in your house and have them lay with ten of your wives in front of all Israel. And that is exactly what his son did. He raped ten of David wives in broad daylight, in public. So not only does David's son have sex with ten of his step mothers in front of everyone. He raped them. And he did it because the Christian god ordered it. Never mind that this would be 40 counts of capital crimes. Any of which is punishable by death.
 
acbytesla will show porn to children if the only alternative is a church sermon. Nobody here is going to support him.
 
Helen said:
13-15 year olds will already have seen it all, and there are definitely sermons i wouldn't want anyone subjected to.
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You are taking them to see 3 hours of anything goes porn?
 
The OP is a reality - posters seemingly at ease with showing kids porn when an alternative was available....actual child sex abuse in the UK. That falls under the umbrella of Rape Culture.
 
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Helen said:
13-15 year olds will already have seen it all, and there are definitely sermons i wouldn't want anyone subjected to.
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You might be right about them seeing the porn - but who is responsible for that fact? Who has effectively shown them this stuff?
 
Poem said:
acbytesla will show porn to children if the only alternative is a church sermon. Nobody here is going to support him.
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I don't care if they support me or not. The Bible is worse than any porn. The religion is worse than any porn.

I would definitely prefer kids see two people making love to each other than two people trying to kill each other.

That said, I want my children to read the Bible from the beginning. And I don't want them to attend church. That may sound contradictory but it's not. Pastors, preachers and priests lie, cherry pick and present a sugar coated idea of the Bible and the facts. Let people actually read the awful crap in that horrendous book instead of just the pretty passages.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't care if they support me or not. The Bible is worse than any porn. The religion is worse than any porn.
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Off the scale disgraceful.
acbytesla said:
I would definitely prefer kids see two people making love to each other than two people trying to kill each other.
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Porn isn't love.
acbytesla said:
That said, I want my children to read the Bible from the beginning. And I don't want them to attend church. That may sound contradictory but it's not. Pastors, preachers and priests lie, cherry pick and present a sugar coated idea of the Bible and the facts.
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You aren't wrong.
acbytesla said:
Let people actually read the awful crap in that horrendous book instead of just the pretty passages.
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Have you engaged in Christian persecution? It's certainly predicted in the Bible.
 
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Poem said:
Off the scale disgraceful.
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Coming from you, I'll accept that as a compliment. I'm convinced my children will be better equipped and well adjusted than most.
Poem said:
Porn isn't love.
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Some of it definitely is. You do know that there are lots of videos on Pornhub of married couples and committed couples making love to each other?
Poem said:
You aren't wrong.
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I get one right once in a while.
Poem said:
Have you engaged in Christian persecution? It's certainly predicted in the Bible.
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No, but I definitely find it humorous and hypocritical since Christians have committed more persecutions against others than any religious group.

But the Muslims are trying to give them a run for their money.
 
acbytesla said:
Coming from you, I'll accept that as a compliment. I'm convinced my children will be better equipped and well adjusted than most.

Some of it definitely is. You do know that there are lots of videos on Pornhub of married couples and committed couples making love to each other?

I get one right once in a while.

No, but I definitely find it humorous and hypocritical since Christians have committed more persecutions against others than any religious group.

But the Muslims are trying to give them a run for their money.
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We should cease debating.
 
Or is it just late in the evening/early In the morning and you want to sleep?
 
Dude. @Poem. Did you just change your avatar again? Can you not do that all the time? I'm a very visual person and I use avatars as a major way of seeing who is posting what. Please do not keep changing it like that.
 
Myriad said:
I don't know if there's any modern equivalent of ancient Mesopotamian sacred temple prostitution or the public fertility rituals of Inana to compare with.

https://www.arthistoryproject.com/t...he-fertility-ritual-of-inana-and-iddin-dagan/

But what we're looking for isn't evidence of public sex and depictions of sex in ancient civilizations (which is plentiful), it's evidence that any of it was considered harmful to children, to be consistent with your claim regarding "the majority of humanity since forever." Such as, a few words in writings like the above to mention children being barred or sequestered, or a legal penalty for failing to do so. You haven't shown me any, and I haven't found any when I've stepped up to do your work for you and looked myself.

You have provided not a shred of evidence for your claim so far. Ironically I've found a small amount of evidence myself (regarding a few brief periods of second-millennium Chinese history; and of course, China is going through another such period in the present day as its government champions all forms of censorship and repression including a porn ban), but it appears to be rare exceptions rather than "the majority."
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A few nebulous references to intimacy substantiates what exactly?
 
Here's a SFW screen shot of the Bonnie Blue school orgy (from a cued SFW video discussing the Channel 4 documentary: Documentary on Notorious Adult Film Performer Reveals Secret to Her Success | Bonnie Blue Analysis).

They look underage, are wearing school uniforms and are siting at desks in a classroom.

Bonnie is available on the Fansly website, which is available to UK consumers (contrary to Darat's claim that such content is illegal online in the UK).
@Darat

Welcome to 21st century rape culture un-civilisation.
 
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