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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

We all know that such porn is available and popular on the net. I haven't denied that. This was the actual exchange:


You have no evidence for that.
It's in front of everyone who visits porn web sites. Andd since you don't and won't, you just repeat nonsense propaganda by conservatives who want to tell the rest of us how to live. No thanks. We're just fine.
 
It's in front of everyone who visits porn web sites.
Which I agreed with above so why are you repeating that?
And since you don't and won't, you just repeat nonsense propaganda by conservatives who want to tell the rest of us how to live. No thanks. We're just fine.
False. The porn task force is described as independent and has cross party support. Come back when you have done some actual research.

...and stop switching subjects.
 
Which I agreed with above so why are you repeating that?
That wasn't and isn't the point. The point is your repeating the nonsense propaganda by some crusading politicians and have no personal first hand familiarity with the subject. In other words, you're repeating the lies of liars.
False. The porn task force is described as independent and has cross party support. Come back when you have done some actual research.

...and stop switching subjects.
The so called porn taskforce is a joke. A bunch of conservatives lying. Wake me when they ban the category "barely legal."
 
We're just fine.
You and others are propagating an industry that is guilty of the abuse of children. An individual who puts porn in front of a child will be charged with sexual abuse (in the UK at least). The porn industry is effectively (in the real world and not the nefarious practice of sophistry) doing the same.
 
You and others are propagating an industry that is guilty of the abuse of children. An individual who puts porn in front of a child will be charged with sexual abuse (in the UK at least). The porn industry is effectively (in the real world and not the nefarious practice of sophistry) doing the same.
Totally false. Try again.
 
That wasn't and isn't the point. The point is your repeating the nonsense propaganda by some crusading politicians and have no personal first hand familiarity with the subject. In other words, you're repeating the lies of liars.

The so called porn taskforce is a joke. A bunch of conservatives lying. Wake me when they ban the category "barely legal."
I just pointed out that this is not a bunch of conservatives and has cross party support and is described as independent. Are you understanding that? And in no way have you substantiated that they are a joke or liars.

What is evident is your political persuasion.

And still you have provided zero evidence regarding:
No, it doesn't.
Stop switching when you have no response.
 
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The BBFC (23rd June 2025) can reveal that 1 in 3 adult pornography users have been exposed to violent or abusive content online in the last three months. In a survey of 2,021 adults who had accessed pornography online, over half (58%) expressed concern about the levels of violence or abuse depicted.

The research provides the most up-to-date insight into the types of violent and abusive content pornography users are exposed to online in the UK. The concerning findings come just four months after the Government published the Independent Pornography Review. The Review, led by Baroness Bertin, recommends parity between how pornography is regulated online and offline.


ibid.:
However, the BBFC has no statutory role online.
 
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How much thought went into that response?

About as much as the effort you've made to present historical or archaeological evidence for "the assumption that such material is harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever."

Which of Hammurabi's 282 laws relate to this type of assumed harm to children? Obviously this civilization cared about the proper conduct of children and was quite willing to severely punish harmful social transgressions: "195. If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off."

I don't see among those 282 laws anything resembling: "If a man produce a graven image of the emissions of a man falling upon the countenance of a woman who has not borne children, and this image be seen by a son or daughter who has not married, the man shall be thrown in the water and the son or daughter's eyes be put out." Odd, if a majority of humanity regarded children seeing sex or depictions of sex as harmful since forever. Do you think ancient Mesopotamia was a rare exception?
 
About as much as the effort you've made to present historical or archaeological evidence for "the assumption that such material is harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever."

Which of Hammurabi's 282 laws relate to this type of assumed harm to children? Obviously this civilization cared about the proper conduct of children and was quite willing to severely punish harmful social transgressions: "195. If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off."

I don't see among those 282 laws anything resembling: "If a man produce a graven image of the emissions of a man falling upon the countenance of a woman who has not borne children, and this image be seen by a son or daughter who has not married, the man shall be thrown in the water and the son or daughter's eyes be put out." Odd, if a majority of humanity regarded children seeing sex or depictions of sex as harmful since forever. Do you think ancient Mesopotamia was a rare exception?
Perhaps we can cf. ancient Mesopotamian porn with 21st century content? You can no doubt can provide links to samples.
 
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I mean, yeah, there's porn with slapping and choking and generally not looking like a good time, and I don't like it, and I don't look at it. I click on a different category/keyword/etc.

Genuinely, everyone should learn how to avoid engaging with content they don't llike, when it comes to how you spend your free time faffing about on the internet/in the bookstore/at a festival/etc etc.

Engaging with stuff you don't like is for like, challenging your assumptions on purpose, not for getting upset about things on the internet.
 
The research (ibid.) shows that, in the past three months, users had been exposed to online content depicting physical violence, non-consensual activity, incest, and adults role-playing as children. Such content may cause harm by promoting an interest in sexually abusive relationships or in activity (such as strangulation) that can lead to serious physical harm. As such, it would be refused classification by the BBFC and would therefore be illegal to supply or distribute offline (on DVD or Blu-Ray). Of those exposed to these types of content, users were most concerned (67%) by material depicting adults role-playing as children.

Posters need to stop pretending this isn't a problem.
 
I mean, yeah, there's porn with slapping and choking and generally not looking like a good time, and I don't like it, and I don't look at it. I click on a different category/keyword/etc.

Genuinely, everyone should learn how to avoid engaging with content they don't llike, when it comes to how you spend your free time faffing about on the internet/in the bookstore/at a festival/etc etc.

Engaging with stuff you don't like is for like, challenging your assumptions on purpose, not for getting upset about things on the internet.
Lots of people like it which is why there is so much of it.
 
Lots of people like it which is why there is so much of it.
Well, the Tate fans need something to do, when women who will put up with that ◊◊◊◊ in real life are so thin on the ground.

For real though sometimes the preponderance of a thing has as much or more to do with the supply side than the demand side.
 
Well, the Tate fans need something to do,
when women who will put up with that ◊◊◊◊ in real life are so thin on the ground.
Citation.
For real though sometimes the preponderance of a thing has as much or more to do with the supply side than the demand side.
That's not how market forces work is it? Advertisers want to know what we are watching (Aylo sells such info) and place their ads with similar content.
 
Uh. I honestly do not have any idea how granular the 'what you are watching' data is for porn sites/advertising info. It could be as low as 'm/f, m/m, f/f' (or 'are you there at all') but I suppose the Tate style Take Man Pills, Get Women business crowd would be interested in marketing directly to 'guy slaps woman disrespectfully' porn viewers, sure.

But every advert I can think of that I've ever seen on these sites is either 'go here and pay for better content' or 'hot singles in your area want to meet YOU.'
 
Perhaps we can cf. ancient Mesopotamian porn with 21st century content? You can no doubt can provide links to samples.

I don't know if there's any modern equivalent of ancient Mesopotamian sacred temple prostitution or the public fertility rituals of Inana to compare with.

When at evening, the radiant star, the Venus star, the great light which fills the holy heavens, the lady of the evening, ascends above like a warrior, the people in all the lands lift their gaze to her. The men purify themselves, the woman cleanse themselves... All the living creatures and the numerous people bend the knee before her. When called for by my lady the matriarchs plentifully provide food and drink, and my lady refreshes herself in her Land. There is play in the Land, which is made festive. The young men take pleasure in their spouses...

At the New Year, on the day of the rites, in order for her to determine the fate of all the countries, so that during the day the faithful servants can be inspected, so that on the day of the disappearance of the moon the divine powers can be perfected, a bed is set up for my lady. Esparto grass is purified with cedar perfume and arranged on that bed for my lady, and a coverlet is smoothed out on the top of it.
In order to find sweetness in the bed on the joyous coverlet, my lady bathes her holy thighs. She bathes them for the thighs of the king; she bathes them for the thighs of Iddin-Dagan. Holy Inana rubs herself with soap; she sprinkles oil and cedar essence on the ground.
The king goes to her holy thighs with head held high, he goes to the thighs of Inana with head held high. Ama-ucumgal-analies down beside her and caresses her holy thighs.

After the lady has made him rejoice with her holy thighs on the bed, after holy Inana has made him rejoice with her holy thighs on the bed, she relaxes with him on her bed: “Iddin-Dagan, you are indeed my beloved!”

To pour libations, to carry out purification rites, to heap up incense offerings, to burn juniper resin, to set out food offerings, to set out offering-bowls, he goes into her Egal-mah. She embraces her beloved spouse, holy Inana embraces him. She shines like daylight on the great throne dais and makes the king position himself next to her like the sun.
https://www.arthistoryproject.com/t...he-fertility-ritual-of-inana-and-iddin-dagan/

But what we're looking for isn't evidence of public sex and depictions of sex in ancient civilizations (which is plentiful), it's evidence that any of it was considered harmful to children, to be consistent with your claim regarding "the majority of humanity since forever." Such as, a few words in writings like the above to mention children being barred or sequestered, or a legal penalty for failing to do so. You haven't shown me any, and I haven't found any when I've stepped up to do your work for you and looked myself.

You have provided not a shred of evidence for your claim so far. Ironically I've found a small amount of evidence myself (regarding a few brief periods of second-millennium Chinese history; and of course, China is going through another such period in the present day as its government champions all forms of censorship and repression including a porn ban), but it appears to be rare exceptions rather than "the majority."
 
That's not how market forces work is it?
I mean. Not for content that isn't that expensive to produce. Just look at any user-uploaded-content platform. A lot of it will be 'I made this because this is what people want; it sells' but a lot of it will be 'I made this because it's my thing and who cares if it sells.' And in the middle you often get 'I keep making (a LOT of) this cause it's my thing and it sells to a small audience.'

It's simply the truth that 'people make a lot of this' does not necessarily equal 'this is a very broadly popular topic.' It's often the case but isn't proof all by itself.

Looking for free, accessible in my area porn the other day, I found a huge trove of exhibitionist couples' content that was getting about as much engagement as a guy with his hat out for kazoo solos.
 
The research (ibid.) shows that, in the past three months, users had been exposed to online content depicting physical violence, non-consensual activity, incest, and adults role-playing as children. Such content may cause harm by promoting an interest in sexually abusive relationships or in activity (such as strangulation) that can lead to serious physical harm. As such, it would be refused classification by the BBFC and would therefore be illegal to supply or distribute offline (on DVD or Blu-Ray). Of those exposed to these types of content, users were most concerned (67%) by material depicting adults role-playing as children.

Posters need to stop pretending this isn't a problem.
Over and over and over you keep repeating propaganda crap by crusading prudes. They call it research. They are lying.

Go to pornhub. You will not see children. You will see adults. There are no children to protect.

As for violence, that almost certainly would be an impression some might have of BDSM.

BDSM and Kink can be physical. It includes,hair pulling, spanking, choking, electric zapping, dripping hot wax on others,, nipple clamps, etc. Definitely not my taste. But it is consensual. Almost all BDSM participants inform their partners exactly what is acceptable and what isn't. They use safe words and complete questionnaires. As well as create contracts. That is not violence.

The point is you don't know what your talking about. You are totally dependent on "research" of others with your shared agenda.of stopping porn. If you want to actually know, you will have to actually see it with your own eyes.
 
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Over and over and over you keep repeating propaganda crap by crusading prudes. They call it research. They are lying.
Anything is possible, but you haven't demonstrated that to be so.
Go to pornhub. You will not see children. You will see adults. There are no children to protect.
The BBFC article isn't referencing child porn - so again, you are switching.
As for violence, that almost certainly would be an impression some might have of BDSM.

BDSM and Kink can be physical. It includes,hair pulling, spanking, choking, electric zapping, dripping hot wax on others,, nipple clamps, etc. Definitely not my taste. But it is consensual. Almost all BDSM participants inform their partners exactly what is acceptable and what isn't. They use safe words and complete questionnaires. As well as create contracts. That is not violence.
One person's view. Lithrael's is somewhat different (see above). As is the fact that:
The BBFC can reveal that 1 in 3 adult pornography users have been exposed to violent or abusive content online in the last three months. In a survey of 2,021 adults who had accessed pornography online, over half (58%) expressed concern about the levels of violence or abuse depicted.

These respondents are all porn users.
The point is you don't know what your talking about. You are totally dependent on "research" of others with your shared agenda.of stopping porn.
No - Bertin for example has clearly stated she is not against all porn.
If you want to actually know, you will have to actually see it with your own eyes.
Day of the Triffids?
 

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