The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

[Vixen]

Yes, it has. It's been clearly demonstrated that they were manually activated models. For some reason, your brain fails to retain this fact.

No, it was not demonstrated.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Nobody claimed EPIRBs charge themselves. But they were certified as having been inspected and in working order. In other words, there is paperwork that PROVES this was so.

Yes but they were switched off.

 

[Vixen]

No that's all lies and you know it.

An automatic buoy has one switch for battery testing.
It has no in or off switch.
A manual operation buoy is the only one that has an on and off switch.

You have been shown this with both photographs, references to SOLAS regulations, manufacturers specifications and operating instructions.

That you keep repeating it shows you are deliberately telling lies.

Even if you keep evading facts, you still can't explain why noone switched them on.

 

[zooterkin]

No, it was not demonstrated.

Do stop lying, there's a good triple-niner.

 

[Vixen]

Yes but they were switched off.

Yes, you've got it at last: someone switched them off. Either that, or they were never properly activated when installed.

 

[zooterkin]

Yes, you've got it at last: someone switched them off.

No, switched off as in not turned on. Which was only possible because they were manually activated models.

 

[Vixen]

Do stop lying, there's a good triple-niner.

Do look up SOLAS regulations pursuant to the edicts issued arising from The Herald of Free Enterprise accident investigation.

 

[Vixen]

No, switched off as in not turned on. Which was only possible because they were manually activated models.

They were hydrostatically operated. This is factual. End of.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Er, it was a mandatory SOLAS requirement.

No at the time ships already equipped could continue to use their current buoys until their life expired. Plus there were other exemptions.

We went through this but you ignore it and continue to lie

 

[Andy_Ross]

Then once again, this is a case of my being better informed than you.

◊◊◊◊ off with more lies

 

[zooterkin]

Do look up SOLAS regulations persuant to the edicts issued arising from The Herald of Free Enterprise accident investigation.

Do you get some sort of thrill from demonstrating your ignorance and lack of understanding?

 

[Andy_Ross]

This has been discussed extensively already.

Yes and you ignore it all and continue to lie

 

[Andy_Ross]

No, it was not demonstrated.

They were recovered and shown to be manually operated by their make and model number and by the fact they had manual operation switches which were in the off position.
Immersion activated models cannot have the automatic function turned off, there's no switch to do it.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Yes, you've got it at last: someone switched them off. Either that, or they were never properly activated when installed.

No, automatic, immersion activated buoys are not able to be turned off by anyone. There's no switch to do it
The only way to deactivate them is to dismantle them in a workshop and remove the battery.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Do look up SOLAS regulations persuant to the edicts issued arising from The Herald of Free Enterprise accident investigation.

Nothing about the Herald Of Free Enterprise changed any SOLAS regulations regarding EPIRB buoys.
They were not a factor in the sinking.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Even if you keep evading facts, you still can't explain why noone switched them on.

The fundamental problem you have here is that if they had been automatically activated models nobody would have to switch them on.

The manual Kannad 406F had an on/off switch. The automatic version had a switch so that users could manually trigger them without throwing them in the sea, but that switch did not disable the immersion activation from working. The auto version would trigger if it got wet with seawater. The only thing preventing this was a magnet in the holder bracket. That activated a magnetic switch which stopped the EPIRB from operating.

So as soon as an automatic EPIRB is immersed and floats free of its holder, it activates. That's what the auto model does if it's working properly. The Estonia's EPIRBs were working properly. They were immersed, and they floated free, yet they did not activate. QED: they were manual models.

 

[Andy_Ross]

They were hydrostatically operated. This is factual. End of.

Stop telling lies.
It has to be deliberate.
I am not allowed to call you a troll as it's against the rules but we can all draw conclusions.

 

[Vixen]

Stop telling lies.
It has to be deliberate.
I am not allowed to call you a troll as it's against the rules but we can all draw conclusions.

I am not in the habit of lying, thanks.

 

[zooterkin]

I am not in the habit of lying, thanks.

There you go again.

 

[JayUtah]

How about that Brandenburg report? When you were avoiding the SwRI report you couldn’t wait to move on to Brandenburg. Here we are, so get after it.