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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
An erotic statue compares with 24/7 anything goes porn?
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An erotic statue or mosaic is constantly visible to everyone present, as long as there's any light to see by at all.

Does that question lead to any historical or archaeological evidence of your claim that "the assumption that such material is harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever."?
 
Myriad said:
An erotic statue or mosaic is constantly visible to everyone present, as long as there's any light to see by at all.

Does that question lead to any historical or archaeological evidence of your claim that "the assumption that such material is harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever."?
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How many individuals do you know that show internet porn to children (as opposed to the porn industry which is doing so)?
 
Hey kids, after we've seen Michalangelo's David, we're going to watch some barely legal orgies followed by some Bukkake and incest porn.
 
Poem said:
How many individuals do you know that show internet porn to children (as opposed to the porn industry which is doing so)?
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Is this question supposed to represent historical or archaeological evidence for your claim that "the assumption that such material is harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever."? I'm not seeing the connection. Please explain further.
 
Poem said:
If they didn't look like children then the UK's porn taskforce would not be trying to shut it down online.
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Why do you place such faith in UK's porn taskforce? What makes you think they have a good understanding of the issue? What makes you think they're acting on a rational concern, not a political expedient?
 
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Poem said:
If they didn't look like children then the UK's porn taskforce would not be trying to shut it down online.
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Simply not true. These are crusaders against porn. Their only hope of ending porn in the UK is arguing that this is about protecting the children. They will be unsuccessful.
 
theprestige said:
Why do you place such faith in UK's porn taskforce? What makes you think they have a good understanding of the issue? What makes you think they're acting on a rational concern, not a political expedient?
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The taskforce is lead by conservative House of Lords member Gabby Bertin, who (according to The Guardian, June 2025) is:
A former adviser to David Cameron, Bertin has gathered cross-party support for her work and says she emails Keir Starmer so regularly about the issue that she has “practically become his pen pal” (if you can have a pen pal who delegates to officials the responsibility of replying).

Ibidem:
Since being appointed by the former prime minister Rishi Sunak to lead an independent review into the regulation of online pornography in December 2023....

The porn taskforce is described (The Guardian, 24th June 2025) as 'independent':
At the inaugural meeting of the Independent Pornography Review taskforce – which brought together politicians, police and charities to discuss how to regulate harmful content on the internet....

BBFC's president, Natasha Kaplinsky (ibid.):
“Legislation has existed for many years to protect the public from violent and abusive pornographic content offline, but online the law has not kept pace,” Kaplinsky said.

The BBFC is responsible for classifying content on DVD and Blu-ray etc, so they would merely be applying laws that apply in the offline world to content in the online one. Essentially, porn on the internet, as far as the UK is concerned, is acting outside the law. Much of it would survive BBFC scrutiny, but material Bertin describes here would not (see first link):

“They were screengrabs showing little girls, their hair in bunches, and massive, grown men grabbing little girls’ throats,” she says. She had selected images which appeared to depict child abuse, and yet were easily and legally available on a popular website.
 
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dirtywick said:
i like how darat has now become one of poems quotes of an authority on the topic
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I did not cite Darat as an authority; rather, I merely cited the existence of that opinion here, which counters the apparent impression that it's everyone against my opinion.

It is worth noting that Darat would probably describe this as disgusting (though it would depend on a subjective estimation of whether there was intention to portray underage sex):
arthwollipot said:
Neither, obviously, are you. I at least have watched some "barely legal" porn (for the intended purpose rather than to pick at things to complain about). At no point did I believe that I was watching anyone who was not 18+.
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@Darat will CMIIW.
 
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acbytesla said:
Simply not true. These are crusaders against porn. Their only hope of ending porn in the UK is arguing that this is about protecting the children. They will be unsuccessful.
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You appear to be forgetting that material that intentionally portrays adults as children is already banned offline in the UK. The BBFC already bans this stuff on DVD etc. It is not a crusade. It is merely bringing the outlaws into line.
 
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Poem said:
You appear to be forgetting that material that intentionally portrays adults as children is already banned offline in the UK. The BBFC already bans this stuff on DVD etc. It is not a crusade. It is merely bring the outlaws into line.
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No, it doesn't.
 
acbytesla said:
No, it doesn't.
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Every article I have cited affirms that the BBFC does and would ban such material. There would, of course, be some grey areas.

If you have anything that suggests otherwise, please post it.
 
Poem said:
Every article I have cited affirms that the BBFC does and would ban such material. There would, of course, be some grey areas.

If you have anything that suggests otherwise, please post it.
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And nowhere are we referring to "barely legal." Good luck with that.
 
acbytesla said:
And nowhere are we referring to "barely legal." Good luck with that.
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Not following you. Articles I have cited refer to barely legal type content that is banned offline in the UK. @Darat goes further and affirms that UK law covers the online world too, but I have spoken to the Lucy Faithful Foundation and they confirm there is a grey area.

I asked for evidence that what I am stating is incorrect but you have not provided anything. Why not?
 
acbytesla - you don't have any evidence or you would have already posted it.
 
Poem said:
acbytesla - you don't have any evidence or you would have already posted it.
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What evidence do I need? You're just gish galloping and gas lighting. The evidence you have presented is sufficient along with the incontrovertable fact that "barely legal" pornography is a category found on pornhub and many many other sites. Let us know when that category is no longer there. Excuse me for not holding my breath. :dl:
 
acbytesla said:
What evidence do I need? You're just gish galloping and gas lighting. The evidence you have presented is sufficient along with the incontrovertable fact that "barely legal" pornography is a category found on pornhub and many many other sites. Let us know when that category is no longer there. Excuse me for not holding my breath. :dl:
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We all know that such porn is available and popular on the net. I haven't denied that. This was the actual exchange:
Poem said:
You appear to be forgetting that material that intentionally portrays adults as children is already banned offline in the UK. The BBFC already bans this stuff on DVD etc. It is not a crusade. It is merely bring the outlaws into line.
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acbytesla said:
No, it doesn't.
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You have no evidence for that.
 
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