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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

dirtywick said:
we've interacted in the past and you've said as much. if you've said something else somewhere else, idk.
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You need to stop doing this. Call me dishonest by citing it.
dirtywick said:
in any case, your complete mischaracterization of the content is why i'm calling you dishonest. as i've said many times in this thread, anyone can go to a porn site right now, click the barely legal tag, and see the content of the videos aren't as you and your sources describe. yet you constantly describe it as child porn. it's dishonest
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Are you saying that the content Bertin found is not on popular porn sites? I asked if you think it's healthy for a child to be watching this stuff (old guy grabbing what looks like a kid by the throat).
 
Poem said:
Are you saying that kids watching an adult have sex with what looks looks like a child is healthy (see below)?
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Are you saying that ladies and gentlemen over the age of consent that look younger than they are should be are not allowed to have sex?
 
theprestige said:
Probably not a popular opinion, but I think being sexually attracted to a sixteen year-old who closely approaches our ideal standard of beauty is a healthy response. Indulging in that sexual attraction to form a romantic interest is not, however, a good thing. So I see nothing particularly reprehensible about porn that celebrates the youth and beauty of people just this side of what is legal. As long as everyone really is legal, and what's on the tin is legal.
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Sure, attraction to such is normal but if you are orgasming to what looks similar then you have overstepped the mark and are edging towards the real thing.
theprestige said:
On the other hand, I think being sexually attracted to pubescent or prepubescent children is not at all healthy, and should never be indulged in any way.
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Your nihilism means you have to respect someone who does.
 
Poem said:
You need to stop doing this. Call me dishonest by citing it.
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i'm not going to dig through the thread. i know i've asked if you've looked at the sites to confirm the content is as your sources say and you refused.

but, instead i'll ask you again if you have right now and accept your answer. if i had it wrong, and you have done so, then i apologize. if not, then idk what you're complaining about.

Poem said:
Are you saying that the content Bertin found is not on popular porn sites? I asked if you think it's healthy for a child to be watching this stuff (old guy grabbing what looks like a kid by the throat).
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no, that's not what i'm saying. i'm additionally saying it's uncommon and difficult to find when it does exist, and porn sites do a better job of moderating the content then the social media sites where the primary problem lies. and as such, your focus on porn sites is misguided.

the children watching it stuff has been argued to death. your narrative is a complete fabrication of reality and as a result easy to ignore, and you're hiding behind a won't anybody think of the kids argument that's pretty weak and been done to death with other media in the past.
 
Poem said:
The subject is porn is it not?
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That has no bearing whatsoever on my quest for clarity.

What you're saying is that nobody should find these performers attractive as you find it disgusting. I'm not sure how there's any difference between them being found attractive in a porn movie or being found attractive in person. You're proclaiming that people over the age of consent are not allowed to be sexual beings in any way as you, personally, find it disgusting that they are so.
 
dirtywick said:
i'm not going to dig through the thread. i know i've asked if you've looked at the sites to confirm the content is as your sources say and you refused.
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Now you are switching. You said:
dirtywick said:
poem has never actually seen any porn
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That is not true.
Have already stated that I am not going to watch porn.
dirtywick said:
no, that's not what i'm saying. i'm additionally saying it's uncommon and difficult to find when it does exist, and porn sites do a better job of moderating the content then the social media sites where the primary problem lies. and as such, your focus on porn sites is misguided.
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Will Ryder talking about barely legal (CONTENT WARNING: This series features content that viewers may find disturbing, including images and themes of simulated s*xual abuse, inc*st, and s*xual assault. N*dity has been blurred. Viewer discretion is strongly advised):
Beyond Fantasy: Barely Legal

Same place - porn actress Tracey Sweet: "The young girl market is played out a lot, there is a huge market for it"
Beyond Fantasy: Barely Legal

I don't distinguish porn on dedicated sites or that on social media. Okay?

dirtywick said:
the children watching it stuff has been argued to death. your narrative is a complete fabrication of reality and as a result easy to ignore, and you're hiding behind a won't anybody think of the kids argument that's pretty weak and been done to death with other media in the past.
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Nothing demonstrated. And you didn't answer my question. Kids watch what looks like someone their own age getting ploughed by an old guy and he is grabbing their throat. Healthy?
 
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3point14 said:
That has no bearing whatsoever on my quest for clarity.

What you're saying is that nobody should find these performers attractive as you find it disgusting. I'm not sure how there's any difference between them being found attractive in a porn movie or being found attractive in person. You're proclaiming that people over the age of consent are not allowed to be sexual beings in any way as you, personally, find it disgusting that they are so.
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They are deliberately made to look underage with props, clothes, pigtails and speech etc that gives the impression of youth.

Most people have real sex in private. Porn is anything but. You know that.
 
Poem said:
They are deliberately made to look underage with props, clothes, pigtails and speech etc that gives the impression of youth.

Most people have real sex in private. Porn is anything but. You know that.
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You want to put those goalposts back where they came from please?
 
3point14 said:
I did ask:

3point14

Post in thread 'Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?'

Poem said:
Are you saying that kids watching an adult have sex with what looks looks like a child is healthy (see below)?
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Are you saying that ladies and gentlemen over the age of consent that look younger than they are should be are not allowed to have sex?
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People have sex, generally, in private do they not? If one's partner looks young, then nobody is complaining are they?

Regarding porn, see my previous comments.
 
Poem said:
People have sex, generally, in private do they not? If one's partner looks young, then nobody is complaining are they?

Regarding porn, see my previous comments.
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You clearly stated that you find it disgusting that persons over the age of majority who look younger than they are can be found sexually attractive and you think that these people should not be sexual objects. The logical extension of that is that you believe that these people should not ever have sex (because they look too young to be sexually attractive) and that anyone having sex with a perfectly legal, age appropriate partner of this nature is 'disgusting'.

I continue to suspect that your actual issues are not your stated issues.
 
Poem said:
Now you are switching. You said:

That is not true.
Have already stated that I am not going to watch porn.
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ok so you refuse to verify the claims you’re putting forward. i apologize for not making that distinction

Will Ryder talking about barely legal (CONTENT WARNING: This series features content that viewers may find disturbing, including images and themes of simulated s*xual abuse, inc*st, and s*xual assault. N*dity has been blurred. Viewer discretion is strongly advised):
Beyond Fantasy: Barely Legal

Same place - porn actress Tracey Sweet: "The young girl market is played out a lot, there is a huge market for it"
Beyond Fantasy: Barely Legal

I don't distinguish porn on dedicated sites or that on social media. Okay?
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you should. okay.

Nothing demonstrated. And you didn't answer my question. Kids watch what looks like someone their own age getting ploughed by an old guy and he is grabbing their throat. Healthy?
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healthy in moderation
 
3point14 said:
You clearly stated that you find it disgusting that persons over the age of majority who look younger than they are can be found sexually attractive
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No I didn't. You haven't been following.
3point14 said:
and you think that these people should not be sexual objects.
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Like I said, I was talking about porn and the deliberate attempt to big up pedo transgression.
3point14 said:
The logical extension of that is that you believe that these people should not ever have sex (because they look too young to be sexually attractive) and that anyone having sex with a perfectly legal, age appropriate partner of this nature is 'disgusting'.
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Obvious misrepresentation. See above.
3point14 said:
I continue to suspect that your actual issues are not your stated issues.
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You should be cognisant of the fact that you have misunderstood me. I am only repeating the view of those that support the UK's coming Crime and Policing Bill which will ban online what is already illegal offline.

Is that clear?
 
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