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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

smartcooky said:
...you'll be talking to a brick wall.
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Somebody's been doing some self reflection.

Seriously, man. You expect readers on a discussion forum to watch a 43 minute video from an alt-right circle jerk source? Come on.

Your last alt right story recently was found to have omitted key details, apparently willfully, if not by pure incompetence. Got any of those nice grown-up written word stories you would like to discuss?
 
smartcooky said:
<gibbersnippage>

For anyone who does watch this, if you want to discuss the FACTS and DETAILS of what these people went through, I'll be happy to oblige, but if all you're interested in doing is criticising the source, doing at hatchet job on the narrator/host or calling these victims liars, you'll be talking to a brick wall.
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Sigh. Yet again you expect others to waste their time, 43 minutes of it, to wade through a Spiked video. Why don'y *you* summarise the points supposedly made in the video, preferably with actual evidence. If these is any.

arthwollipot said:
Well, it's hardly irrelevant to point out that this channel appears to have an anti-trans, anti-immigrant, anti-BBC, anti-trans, anti-Mamdani, anti-Islam, anti-trans agenda.

So no, I for one will not be engaging with your content.
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It's Spiked, what do you expect? The "magazine", right back to the LM days, has a long history of lying. And these days it's funded by the Kochs.
 
Thermal said:
Your last alt right story recently was found to have omitted key details, apparently willfully, if not by pure incompetence.
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Of course it's wilfil. They can't possibly approach anything like balance. It's not their job.

Their job is to stoke fear and hatred and fuel culture wars. Truth is irrelevant.
 
Thermal said:
Not the one I had in mind, but thanks. The one I had in mind reappeared, abruptly changing the subject after things went badly for him on the last story he brought up.
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Yes, its me you are referring to... Let me set you straight on something. I didn't go silent because "things went badly". On the contrary things went exactly as I knew they would... no-one had courage to debate the facts and evidence. I simply have nothing to say anyone who wants to focus on questioning the sources rather than addressing facts and evidence. Summarily dismissing sources because their perceived bias is not skepticism, its tribalism. Well, I won't engage in tribalism... I read all sources from across the political spectrum and there are plenty of times I have seen leftist sources such as the Guardian and the BBC telling outright lies, and plenty of times I have seen rightist souces such as the Telegraph telling outright lies.... but I make those assessments AFTER I have read them, not before like most of the lefties here do. Its no wonder so many excellent skeptics have left this forum.. Its become an echo chamber for the left-wing cult, where anyone dares speak the heresy of any idea that isn't a part of the lefist groupthink gets dogpiled.
I will debate anyone who is interested in debating what people say about the issues I raise... But I have no interest in debating anyone's personal bias against sources that don't align with their prejudiced preferred worldview.
 
catsmate said:
Sigh. Yet again you expect others to waste their time, 43 minutes of it, to wade through a Spiked video. Why don'y *you* summarise the points supposedly made in the video, preferably with actual evidence. If these is any.
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I don't expect anyone to do anything. I am certainly long past expecting completely closed-minded lefties to take any time out of their day to look at stuff that doesn't align with their narrow and limited worldview.

ETA: why should I take the time summarise anything for people who are too lazy to get out of their own way, and who won't even read the summary anyway. Better for me to just post the video and let those who don't want to watch marinate in their own pig-ignorance.
 
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smartcooky said:
I don't expect anyone to do anything. I am certainly long past expecting completely closed-minded lefties to take any time out of their day to look at stuff that doesn't align with their narrow and limited worldview.

ETA: why should I take the time summarise anything for people who are too lazy to get out of their own way, and who won't even read the summary anyway. Better for me to just post the video and let those who don't want to watch marinate in their own pig-ignorance.
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Oh, the stench of hypocrisy arises again. Anyone who doesn't obediently waste their lives watching you unending stream (as I assume there will be more to come, rather than actual evidence for the claims) of right-wing propaganda is is one of the "closed-minded lefties" you decry.
Oh well, better than being a close minded rightie....
 
catsmate said:
Oh, the stench of hypocrisy arises again. Anyone who doesn't obediently waste their lives watching you unending stream (as I assume there will be more to come, rather than actual evidence for the claims) of right-wing propaganda is is one of the "closed-minded lefties" you decry.
Oh well, better than being a close minded rightie....
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Oh, the stench of hypocrisy right back at ya.
No-one has to obaey anything I say... obedience to the tribe... thats firmly in your bailiwick.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh, the stench of hypocrisy right back at ya.
No-one has to obaey anything I say... obedience to the tribe... thats firmly in your bailiwick.
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And yet *you* expect to waste their time filtering your right-wing nonsense in search of evidence, because you won't do the work......
Or is it because there is no evidence there?
:rolleyes:
 
smartcooky said:
Yes, its me you are referring to... Let me set you straight on something. I didn't go silent because "things went badly". On the contrary things went exactly as I knew they would... no-one had courage to debate the facts and evidence.
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Um... I think you missed the actual criticism. Your source left out key facts and evidence. They were presented here. That's, um... pretty direct. When these facts and evidence were presented, you got quiet and then suddenly changed the subject.

This was things happening exactly as you knew they would?
 
Enough bickering; please keep to the topic of the thread which is, as ever, not one another.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin
 
It's been a long time since I was in the UK but I seem to remember that Hyde Park was famous for having a section where individuals could get up on a soap box and give speeches on any topic they fancied. Is that still a practice?
 
psionl0 said:
It's been a long time since I was in the UK but I seem to remember that Hyde Park was famous for having a section where individuals could get up on a soap box and give speeches on any topic they fancied. Is that still a practice?
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Is anyone in Hyde Park delivering an impassioned atheistic indictment of Islam? Do any of us fancy the chances of whoever tried?
 
theprestige said:
Is anyone in Hyde Park delivering an impassioned atheistic indictment of Islam? Do any of us fancy the chances of whoever tried?
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I don't know. I googled it and apparently "Speaker's corner" is still a thing in Hyde Park. I'm guessing that the number of topics that you could speak "freely" about before the police move in is a lot smaller than it used to be.
 
psionl0 said:
I don't know. I googled it and apparently "Speaker's corner" is still a thing in Hyde Park. I'm guessing that the number of topics that you could speak "freely" about before the police move in is a lot smaller than it used to be.
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You've never been able to engage in hate speech.
 
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