arthwollipot
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I popped in to see if anything in this thread had changed since the last time I checked and I was rewarded with foreskins.
Does the Shroud of Turin Show Expected Elongation of the Head in 2D?"
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JayUtah
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I addressed this question thoroughly. No fringe reset.
JayUtah
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No it’s not like a quality control process. I covered this thoroughly.
turingtest
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The point you're missing is that you don't have any evidence for when these "burn marks" were produced either, and you are the one who needs that evidence for them to prove anything. You can't say that they are "documented" as being the same as the ones on the Shroud when that is what you are trying to prove. You've put yourself in the position of claiming that these "burn marks" on the Pray Codex are evidence for it being the same thing as the Shroud and predating it, and your evidence that they even are burn marks is that they match the marks on the Shroud. As I've said before, you're using what you're trying to prove to prove what you're trying to use to prove it.
Follow the chronology of a thread.....
Mojo
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Do you have a cite and a chain of custody for the shroud?
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You really don't understand what the material you quoted actually refers to, do you?
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Sigh. You're the one desperately relying on the Big Book of Bronze Age Fairy Tales to support your worldview.
Yes. Far better than you I suspect.
None of which in any way addresses the question, but that's to be expected from @bobdroege7.....
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The 1532 fire in Chambéry.
The Pray Codex dates from approximately 1200.
That means the image in the Codex, which you and a handful of other shroudies claim is the Lirey cloth, was created at least three hundred years before the fire that caused the damage that you claim is shown.
For the hard of thinking that means that, barring precognition or time travel, it's simply not possible.
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Fair enough, I'll see about getting back to the Divine Genitals soon.
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I note, with no surprise, that @bobdroege7 is refusing to address the debunking of his sooper-sekrit radiocarbon test.
Mojo
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Perhaps He had a Swiss army penis.
But seriously, do you understand the point that is being made by reference to multiple foreskins?
arthwollipot
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The Holy Foreskin: The Story of Christianity's Strangest Relic - Medievalists.net
When I first heard about the Sanctum Praeputium I thought it was a joke thought up by some medievalist. However, in the Middle Ages there was much debate if a little piece of Jesus Christ remained on Earth.
www.medievalists.net
SteveAitch
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If that's the name of your new band, I suspect you may have a bit of trouble getting gigs.
First of all, which is the "real" Bible?
Secondly given your demonstrated lack of knowledge of the "real Bible" I hope you will understand why I view your claims about what is "....true, correct and contemporaneous as any of the books....." with some suspicion.
Compared to claiming an atypical cloth from Jesus' burial survived unmentioned for over a thousand years?
I know of many of the routes that were followed over the centuries. Is there a particular one you think is somehow relevant?
Don't say we never give you anything!
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That L shaped pattern of 4 holes (we're talking about the hole next to the thigh and hip of the person, aren't we?
What is you explanation that the length of those holes in all 4 of the patterns, is exactly in line with the other burn marks from the fire, if they weren't caused by that fire?
Additionally, assuming you're right, why do you think the makers of the Pray Codex would find this pattern so much more important than the projection of Jezus himself, given that they did go through the trouble of drawing a piece of cloth on top/next to the supposed shroud on the Codex?
Lastly. Given that the L shape of the 4 patterns is very obviously oriented length wise on the shroud of Turin, why is that same L shaped pattern (only one in that case) oriented to the width of the 'shroud' in the Pray Codex, if these are the same pattern holes?
Maybe you have answered these questions before, but I couldn't find that answer, so would be grateful to hear your thoughts concerning this.
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Nah, but we're off to see Coathanger Solution soon.If that's the name of your new band, I suspect you may have a bit of trouble getting gigs.
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Also, the image in the Pray Codex rather obviously isn't a shroud. Likewise the 'Three Marys' image doesn't match the burns on the Lirey cloth particularly well, even after "adjustments".
Allow me to illustrate matters:
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Thanks!
Then I had the correct holes in mind, when asking my questions. Always nice to know.
Never noticed these before on the Turin Shroud, by the way.
I'm curious what the thoughts of bobdroege7 in these are.