Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Poem]

This isn't about harm.

It's about parents thinking they have the right to mold the next generation. That their children must have the same values as them. Like my parents thinking that they are Christian and their children will be Christian and have their Christian morals. What was right for them is right for their children.

If they can shield their children from being exposed to different things, just maybe they will grow up the way they want them to.

Is the point of view that underage porn is a perfectly reasonable position given that nihilism does not hold to any objective morality?

 

[Poem]

It's about a lot of things, but what it isn't about is protecting children.

The porn industry does not protect children from seeing their content do they? Am I lying when I say I want to protect children? Is the UK's Online Safety Act a big lie?

You revealed your bias when you labelling Pornhub as reputable and law-abiding - and your evidence consisted of citing their T&Cs. You have zero support for that.

 

[arthwollipot]

Is the point of view that underage porn is a perfectly reasonable position given that nihilism does not hold to any objective morality?

No objective morality does not mean no morality. I personally am more of a utilitarian existentialist, but I do subscribe to optimistic nihilism as well.

The porn industry does not protect children from seeing their content do they? Am I lying when I say I want to protect children? Is the UK's Online Safety Act a big lie?

When did I accuse anybody of lying? Arguing from a position of a priori bias is not the same thing as lying. I fully believe and accept that you are being completely truthful in what you say. You (and the UK's Online Safety Act) are simply forming your opinions based on a very one-sided set of information - that of anti-porn crusaders with an agenda.

And yes, the completely legal porn industry in general does do what it can to protect children from seeing their content. Is it perfect? No. Can any measures be perfect? No. Is there any way at all to completely prevent underage people from seeing pornography? Is that even an achievable goal? No. Is the perfect the enemy of the good? No.

You revealed your bias when you labelling Pornhub as reputable and law-abiding - and your evidence consisted of citing their T&Cs. You have zero support for that.

For a start, ad hominem. Also, my bias goes back way before that. Back to when I was watching Rocky Horror during my... uh... formative years. But this is not about me.

The T&Cs I cited are evidence that PornHub is taking a more law-abiding position since the 2020 investigations revealed lacks in that area. Is it perfect? No. Is it even possible to be perfect? No. Is it abiding with the law? Yes. As much as it can, yes. The legal requirements have been met.

Is the most reputable porn site in the world as reputable as the squeakiest clean church community page? No. But is PornHub one of the most visited and popular legal porn sites on the internet? I happen to think that there might be better ones, but yes. The site's reputation is positive in the community at large. That's what "reputation" means.

In fact, the most dangerous aspect of porn sites is, and always has been, malvertising.

So I stand by my claims - both that it is reputable, and that it is law-abiding.

 

[acbytesla]

Is the point of view that underage porn is a perfectly reasonable position given that nihilism does not hold to any objective morality?

Again with the nihilism. Please tell us, what is objectively immoral about watching porn? And how did you conclude it was objectively immoral?

How do you or anyone decide that anything is objectively moral or immoral? Because I'm 100% sure it is actually subjective.

 

[Poem]

Again with the nihilism. Please tell us, what is objectively immoral about watching porn? And how did you conclude it was objectively immoral?

How do you or anyone decide that anything is objectively moral or immoral? Because I'm 100% sure it is actually subjective.

I have asked the question more than once but you keep dodging. Again:

Is the point of view that underage porn is a perfectly reasonable position given that nihilism does not hold to any objective morality?

 

[acbytesla]

I have asked the question more than once but you keep dodging. Again: Is the point of view that underage porn is a perfectly reasonable position given that nihilism does not hold to any objective morality?

You keep aking it. But I have no idea what that question means. It is nonsensical to me. They have nothing to do with each other. The issue from my perspective is what precisely is the actual harm of someone under age or any age viewing porn? If it could actually be demonstrated to be harmful, then I might see merit in banning it. Although, one would also have to show that such a ban could be carried out without causing additional problems.

I'm sorry. I don't see sex as immoral. Never have, never will.

 

[Poem]

You keep aking it. But I have no idea what that question means. It is nonsensical to me. They have nothing to do with each other. The issue from my perspective is what precisely is the actual harm of someone under age or any age viewing porn? If it could actually be demonstrated to be harmful, then I might see merit in banning it. Although, one would also have to show that such a ban could be carried out without causing additional problems.

I'll rephrase:
If someone expresses the view that children acting in porn is morally fine, a nihilist cannot but concede that such a view is perfectly reasonable. They may not agree but they cannot appeal to anything resembling an axiom.

I'm sorry. I don't see sex as immoral. Never have, never will.

Without context, I'd say that is meaningless. Relationships generally come with boundaries when it comes to sexual freedom. Also, I have been discussing porn rather than sex - although there clearly is crossover.

 

[acbytesla]

I'll rephrase:
If someone expresses the view that children acting in porn is morally fine, a nihilist cannot but concede that such a view is perfectly reasonable. They may not agree but they cannot appeal to anything resembling an axiom.

I don't like idea of under age people performing in porn for adults. That has to do with adults taking advantage. This is different than an underage person coming across porn while underage.

Without context, I'd say that is meaningless. Relationships generally come with boundaries when it comes to sexual freedom. Also, I have been discussing porn rather than sex - although there clearly is crossover.

As long as involves consenting adults or even underage consenting people of similar ages, then I don't see anything wrong with it. So whether it is a one night hookup or a long term relationship, they have my blessing. The problem with underage individuals has more to do with their emotional maturity. Are they being responsible? Using birth control, etc. It has nothing to with morality.

 

[Poem]

I don't like idea of under age people performing in porn for adults.

But you have no recourse if someone deems it morally perfectly fine. You have zero rebuttal.

That has to do with adults taking advantage.

Just your pov...that's all.

As long as involves consenting adults or even underage consenting people of similar ages, then I don't see anything wrong with it. So whether it is a one night hookup or a long term relationship, they have my blessing.

If it is outside of one's committed relationship, especially where children are involved, then it is, almost certainly, anything but good.

The problem with underage individuals has more to do with their emotional maturity. Are they being responsible? Using birth control, etc.

Porn advocates have foisted their content upon wider society and children. The message is - sex with no (or hardly any) restrictions is good. It's reckless in the extreme.

It's right in front of us why societies are broken and porn is obviously is a big part of that.

 

[Poem]

I'd hazard that the rejection of moral absolutes and the elevation of individualism (to the point of self-id) is the context of the porn revolution.

 

[acbytesla]

But you have no recourse if someone deems it morally perfectly fine. You have zero rebuttal.

Again, you're back to morality. Laws can and are created based on morality. But now do we judge whether something is moral? Do we turn to the Bible or some other holy text? My position is that morality can and should be based on harm. Harm to the individual and or others. If we agree to that criteria we can make objective assessments on morality.

Just your pov...that's all.

Yep. And you have a different POV. What's your point?

If it is outside of one's committed relationship, especially where children are involved, then it is, almost certainly, anything but good.

Nonsense.

Porn advocates have foisted their content upon wider society and children. The message is - sex with no (or hardly any) restrictions is good. It's reckless in the extreme.

It's right in front of us why societies are broken and porn is obviously is a big part of that.

I don't think societies are broken. Not any more or less than they ever have been.

 

[Poem]

I don't think societies are broken.

Astonishing. Explains why we disagree on this subject. You are, of course, entitled to your view.

 

[Poem]

Nonsense.

Reckless. Your stance feeds societal demise. Your porn advocacy is part of that.

 

[acbytesla]

I'd hazard that the rejection of moral absolutes and the elevation of individualism (to the point of self-id) is the context of the porn revolution.

More nonsense. How exactly did you determine what is a moral absolute? I'll bet you a thousand dollars you are basing your so called moral absolutes on your own ndividually subjective criteria.

Is killing absolutely immoral?

Is lying?

Is stealing?

Is blasphemy?

Is apostasy?

Is ox goring?

Is a slave disobeying his master?

How about a wife her husband?

Is sex outside of a committed relationship?

How did you decide on your answers?

 

[acbytesla]

Reckless. Your stance feeds societal demise. Your porn advocacy is part of that.

How did you decide that we are encountering societal demise? What does that mean to you? Please expand.

 

[Poem]

How did you decide that we are encountering societal demise? What does that mean to you? Please expand.

We aren't going to agree. I would point you back to all the posts that I have made here...and you would reject them all over again.

Wallpapering children's lives with adult 'entertainment' should be a red line - an axiomatic one. If you want to know how selfish we humans are then look no further.

 

[acbytesla]

We aren't going to agree. I would point you back to all the posts that I have made here...and you would reject them all over again.

Probably. Because that would be your subjective assessment. Is society changing? Absolutely. But societies are always changing. Are some institutions that have been pillars in our society like churches losing power and influence? I hope so.

Wallpapering children's lives with adult 'entertainment' should be a red line - an axiomatic one. If you want to know how selfish we humans are then look no further.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

 

[Poem]

How did you decide that we are encountering societal demise? What does that mean to you? Please expand.

To clarify - you think everyone should be free to engage in sex irrespective of anything? A man who is in a relationship and has kids is free to go and have sex with whomever he so pleases - and to do so just for the fun of it (let's assume his relationship with his partner is a good one)?

 

[Poem]

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Assertion.

 

[Poem]

Hyperbolic nonsense.

That porn advocates are wallpapering children's lives with this content is a fact. I think you are extremely uncomfortable with the veracity of that.