Merged why the release of names associated with Epstein mean little to absolutely nothing.

[Venom]

Sex trafficking is illegal no matter what the age.

Again, "sex trafficking" covers such a wide variety of possible things, even that the accuser felt defrauded, it's ridiculous to allow that equivocation to pad a criminal case. You shouldn't be able to lock someone up just cause it "feels wrong" or a fancy word was used to describe the act. None of these alleged victims of Epstein, let alone Maxwell, were blindfolded, gagged, ziptied, stuffed into the back of a windowless van, or made sex slaves (including Virginia Roberts who claimed to be one) and it's ridiculous that falls under the same term as what Maxwell was accused of.

Did you look into Anouska De Georgiou ("Kate") at all? This woman was friends with Epstein for more than a decade. She had been in several relationships with much older men. She sent nude photos to Epstein while he was incarcerated. The censors forgot to redact her initials in the Epstein birthday book. That's the kind of manipulation we can expect in the remaining "Epstein files". Only around the time of Maxwell's trial did this woman claim she realized she was the victim of some kind of psychological abuse.

Easy for Judge Nathan to say this and not bias the jury and public opinion:

I instruct you that this witness is not a victim of the crimes charged in the indictment. To the extent you conclude her testimony is relevant to the issues before you, you may consider it. However, you may not convict the defendant on the basis of the testimony regarding the sexual conduct between this witness and Mr. Epstein, nor may you consider this testimony as any kind of reflection on Mr. Epstein's nor Ms. Maxwell's character or propensity to commit any crimes charged in the indictment.

There was a recent story I read the other day involving a journalist in New York named Olivia Nuzzi who when she was 21 approached Keith Olbermann and other much older men and they took her in, gave her money for college and other things. Is that sex trafficking? Should Olbermann be prosecuted? Cause that's what Epstein did for the majority of his women, some who now claim it was abuse after his death and the victims funds opened up. The difference is there's no evidence Olbermann ever had nude massages from teenage girls so there's no giant effort to go after anyone who's ever held his money or spoken to him.

I've seen enough to know he's a piece of ◊◊◊◊ and I've read the statements from the victims. If you'd like to argue his innocence then go right ahead and if others are interested then I'll leave it to you guys.

I personally hope there is a hell, and he's burning in it right now.

That he was a piece of ◊◊◊◊ doesn't mean everything said about him is true, especially if what was said about his relationship to prominent people is going to be the biggest ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ story in the U.S. right now, supposedly more important than anything else. If you cannot even concede that, get out of here.

 

[wareyin]

For a guy that wrote just yesterday:

I assumed a level of familiarity with events that you obviously do not have. My mistake, I should assume that you are clueless and will endeavor to treat you as such in the future

For Zig to respond to this:

well he did commit crimes in other matters and they had evidence and couldn’t prosecute. literally already happened before, don’t know why your presenting that as some insane theory.

with this:

Such as?

Just....chef's kiss.

Simultaneously spending pages of the thread whining about Trump having been investigated (but not prosecuted) for multiple crimes in multiple jurisdictions, then turning around and pretending not to know about any of the stuff he was just whining about.

 

[Darat]

Again, "sex trafficking" covers such a wide variety of possible things, even that the accuser felt defrauded, it's ridiculous to allow that equivocation to pad a criminal case. You shouldn't be able to lock someone up just cause it "feels wrong" or a fancy word was used to describe the act. None of these alleged victims of Epstein, let alone Maxwell, were blindfolded, gagged, ziptied, stuffed into the back of a windowless van, raped, or made sex slaves (including Virginia Roberts who claimed to be one) and it's ridiculous that falls under the same term as what Maxwell was accused of.

…snip….

You should really not try to “read between the lines”, my point was a matter of factual correction.

 

[dirtywick]

Uh, no. Manafort's convictions had basically nothing to do with Trump:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/406704-bombshell-manafort-pleads-guilty-reaches-cooperation-agreement

"Prosecutors allege that Manafort, conspiring with his former business partner Richard Gates and Russian associate Konstantin Kilimnik, illegally lobbied on behalf of a foreign government by failing to register as a foreign agent.​

Prosecutors also allege that Manafort laundered more than $30 million from his work to buy property and other items in the United States, evading more than $15 million in taxes."​

Cohen went to prison because he's an idiot who got caught lying. You can say he lied on behalf of Trump if you want, but Trump didn't tell him to lie.

You mean he didn't cooperate with the investigation. Not a crime.

Wait... you said, "well he did commit crimes in other matters and they had evidence and couldn’t prosecute." I challenged this claim, and to support it you give as evidence a case where they did prosecute?

Do you even listen to yourself?

you’re a ridiculous person

 

[Ziggurat]

you’re a ridiculous person

You can't actually back up your claim.

 

[wareyin]

You can't actually back up your claim.

I can. Was Trump charged or tried for Federal Election Finance Crimes? Was Trump charged or tried for raping Jean Carroll? Was Trump charged or tried for the January 6th insurrection? Was Trump charged or tried for Obstruction of Justice as 700 federal prosecutors said anyone else would have been? Was Trump charged or tried for bank and insurance fraud?

 

[dirtywick]

You can't actually back up your claim.

in your ridiculous breakdown of my post you avoided the nuclear documents case. speaks for itself

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I can. Was Trump charged or tried for Federal Election Finance Crimes? Was Trump charged or tried for raping Jean Carroll? Was Trump charged or tried for the January 6th insurrection? Was Trump charged or tried for Obstruction of Justice as 700 federal prosecutors said anyone else would have been? Was Trump charged or tried for bank and insurance fraud?

All of which he was innocent of. Try and keep up, that gish is galloping off into the sunset.

 

[dirtywick]

I can. Was Trump charged or tried for Federal Election Finance Crimes? Was Trump charged or tried for raping Jean Carroll? Was Trump charged or tried for the January 6th insurrection? Was Trump charged or tried for Obstruction of Justice as 700 federal prosecutors said anyone else would have been? Was Trump charged or tried for bank and insurance fraud?

he’s been active in the threads discussing all these matters over the years and is well aware of it. its tiresome and not really the thread for it.

ziggarut if you think trump has never committed a crime just say so. i’ll preemptively disagree here but you can just state that and i’ll let that stand. if you’re not willing to do that then that’s your own pretzel of logic to escape from.

 

[Ziggurat]

in your ridiculous breakdown of my post you avoided the nuclear documents case. speaks for itself

They prosecuted. That's not evidence of your claim that they would have evidence of a crime and not prosecute.

 

[dirtywick]

They prosecuted. That's not evidence of your claim that they would have evidence of a crime and not prosecute.

lol jesus christ dude

 

[Ziggurat]

lol jesus christ dude

You made the claim, not me. Now you're running away from it, pretending you made some other claim than the one you actually made.

 

[dirtywick]

You made the claim, not me. Now you're running away from it, pretending you made some other claim than the one you actually made.

say trump didn't commit any crimes

 

[plague311]

That he was a piece of ◊◊◊◊ doesn't mean everything said about him is true, especially if what was said about his relationship to prominent people is going to be the biggest ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ story in the U.S. right now, supposedly more important than anything else. If you cannot even concede that, get out of here.

I will go wherever the ◊◊◊◊ I want whenever the ◊◊◊◊ I want to and no one will tell me differently.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about terrible Epstein has been treated and I, in response, can laugh at you, which I am doing right now.

 

[acbytesla]

All of which he was innocent of. Try and keep up, that gish is galloping off into the sunset.

Are you effin serious? He did all of thise things. Every single one. The evidence was overwhelming each and every time. They spent forever playing games. And the Supreme Court and other judges treated him as if he was above the law. That Trump wasn't thrown in prison four years ago is a shameful blight on America and the rule of law.

 

[dirtywick]

well, regardless of whether or not he's being serious, it's essentially the democrat hoax defense, which is one of several of trump's constantly changing explanations for why he's having night terrors about this. not too clear on if he's also on board with any of the other mutually exclusive explanations trump has also given, sometimes in the same sentence or late night all caps truth.

 

[Venom]

I will go wherever the ◊◊◊◊ I want whenever the ◊◊◊◊ I want to and no one will tell me differently.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about terrible Epstein has been treated and I, in response, can laugh at you, which I am doing right now.

Let's back up a bit. For one you claimed "hundreds of victims" dispute what I said. The conspiracy theory that Epstein was a pimp for the pedophile elite doesn't come from hundreds of victims. It came from Virginia Roberts and her lawyers [2009 lawsuit][2014 motion]. If you're thinking of Sarah Ransome's fairy tales or the allegations of crypto-Nazi Maria Farmer, they came much later and I believe were influenced by Roberts.

In that proffer interview DAG Blanche conducted with Ghislaine Maxwell in July, Maxwell pointed out that none of the 44 women interviewed in Epstein's Palm Beach case even mentioned her name, which is true (p. 120, 121). They didn't mention any prominent people participating in any crimes. They mostly implicated Epstein and his personal assistants and young women he hired as recruiters.

So if an account of sexual abuse wildly deviates from these dozens of well-corroborated accounts, would you disagree if I say it should be treated with extra scrutiny? To make matters worse, Virginia Roberts has a less than stellar record of telling the truth [Beecher dossier]. I know nobody's allowed to point that out, but she's the central accuser in this supposed conspiracy. And if this story is going to be the number one issue in America today, we ought to know every prominent character's role in it.

Supplemental stuff:

Depositions of Roberts [Jan 2016][May 2016][Nov 2016],
Draft of her original memoir [The Billionaire's Playboy Club],
Articles by Sharon Churcher [articles]

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Are you effin serious? He did all of thise things. Every single one. The evidence was overwhelming each and every time. They spent forever playing games. And the Supreme Court and other judges treated him as if he was above the law. That Trump wasn't thrown in prison four years ago is a shameful blight on America and the rule of law.

I do not recommend effin serious, I can tell you that from experience. Serious has no sense of humor whatsoever, and the needless drama about everything on top is just not worth it.

 

[Ziggurat]

say trump didn't commit any crimes

Why would I do that? That's not my claim. And it's not really the subject of this thread either.

 

[dirtywick]

Why would I do that? That's not my claim. And it's not really the subject of this thread either.

because then this whole thing would have been more than the pointless semantic derail it turns out it was. oh well.