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The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VII

Vixen said:
Typhoon Cobra had wind speeds of up to

120 kn120 kn
(62 m/s62 m/s), though some estimates place the gusts even higher at

140 kn140 kn
(72 m/s72 m/s).

Whilst 18 m/s was a 'storm'; as Capt Mäkelä said, it was normal for late September.
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I didn't say the conditions were the same, I gave examples of three ships that were overwhelmed by waves and flooded through openings in the upper decks and superstructure.
You keep saying 'normal for late September' in an attempt to minimise the weather.
Wind speed is not the important thing, wave height and frequency are what does the damage.
 
Vixen said:
As soon as one Brit opens his mouth another Brit has him placed. I know he was a cockney because he said it was cockney slang and that is how he and his chums spoke to one another. So if I said I met a Brummie the other day, saying 'Gard-ing' a la Jasper Carrot for 'garden' is it reasonable to insist I am a liar?
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Gibberish. Again, you're not British and kemo sabe wasn't cockney slang. IF this person existed and IF you didn't mishear him he was using his own peculiarity of language disconnected from his being a cockney.

Me and a friend of mine, who met in Coventry, often use the phrase "the meal shall be delicious!" as our own private in joke. Is that now Coventry slang? Or maybe it's Reading slang as that is where he is from?

You're talking our of your backside and refusing to admit you're wrong, either because continuing the discussion amuses you or because your ego is so fragile you cannot accept being wrong about anything. Either way it's pathetic.
 
Vixen said:
As soon as one Brit opens his mouth another Brit has him placed. I know he was a cockney because he said it was cockney slang and that is how he and his chums spoke to one another. So if I said I met a Brummie the other day, saying 'Gard-ing' a la Jasper Carrot for 'garden' is it reasonable to insist I am a liar?
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Was Jasper Carrott (sp) from Wolverhampton, West Bromwich, Dudley, or Birmingham proper? Can you tell the difference from his accent?

How about Steven Gerrard? What part of Liverpool is he from? How could you tell.

The problem with your response is that it fails to take into account the huge variety of accents, in particular the subtleties of highly localised dialectical differences.
 
wollery said:
Was Jasper Carrott (sp) from Wolverhampton, West Bromwich, Dudley, or Birmingham proper? Can you tell the difference from his accent?

How about Steven Gerrard? What part of Liverpool is he from? How could you tell.

The problem with your response is that it fails to take into account the huge variety of accents, in particular the subtleties of highly localised dialectical differences.
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Yes, I have an ear for accents as I had West Midlands in-laws and thus, ended up at Villa Park quite a lot hearing Brummie wit. Yes, I was schooled to know the difference between Dudley and West Bromwich. Wolverhampton is yet another variety which I used to be able to recognise. I can spot Southern Welsh accents for the same reason, plus I lived in Liverpool for a short while and met scousers in London. Plus I can differentiate one posh accent from another, too. I had a friend from Wootton Bassett who wrote a book about the Wiltshire dialect. Another in-law was from Plymouth so I can spot a West Country burr at a thousand paces.
 
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Andy_Ross said:
So what is Kemosabe a rhyme for?
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Pronounce it wrong and it could sound like 'Keemo sabby', in which case the 'sabby' would sound like 'savvy'. But that would be a rotten rhyming slang and, in any case, the slang would be shortened to 'Keemo?'
 
Vixen said:
It's a play on the then hugely popular Lone Ranger. I am not sure why everyone is having a meltdown over it. Sheesh.
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No one is having a meltdown, we're just pointing out that you are wrong about it being cockney slang and you're throwing a tantrum insisting that you're right.

Which sums up this entire thread come to think of it.
 
GlennB said:
Pronounce it wrong and it could sound like 'Keemo sabby', in which case the 'sabby' would sound like 'savvy'. But that would be a rotten rhyming slang and, in any case, the slang would be shortened to 'Keemo?'
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It was said 'kimmo' (short 'i') and 'sabby' as in 'stabby'. Definitely a real thing. In fact it's not much different from the Sparks record 'Kimino My House'.
 
Vixen said:
It was said 'kimmo' (short 'i') and 'sabby' as in 'stabby'. Definitely a real thing. In fact it's not much different from the Sparks record 'Kimino My House'.
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Your word associations are fascinating. I see a thesis in the making for a psychology Ph.D candidate.
 
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