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So what form does the resistance take?

P.J. Denyer said:
It must be difficult when you're trying to simultaiously project 'We have the bestest army in the world!' and 'You're all in mortal danger from our enemies so we have to suspend the normal rules!' at the same time.
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It unfortunately works every time, the whole premise of this king of abject nationalism is based on "We're the most superior strong race in the universe" and "Our very existence is in mortal danger from the mere presence of people who are not exactly like us".
 
I had a thought, and I'm probably not the first. Could the Epstein empire be a product of Putin so he could have power over the elites? I mean, Republicans have been kissing Putin's ring for over a decade now.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I had a thought, and I'm probably not the first. Could the Epstein empire be a product of Putin so he could have power over the elites? I mean, Republicans have been kissing Putin's ring for over a decade now.
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I suppose it's possible, as such a thing certainly seems to be advantageous, and I could well imagine Putin or his ilk thinking up something like this if he had to, but I'm not convinced he had to. I think Americans are quite nasty, stupid, and greedy enough to do it alone, and to suggest they couldn't implies an optimistic American exceptionalism that I'm afraid our current leadership is proving unfounded.
 
I think an elite sex-trade/extortion racket naturally generated tons of illicit money and contacts with the wealthy and powerful, and such a network would necessarily be useful to the intelligence services of any/some/most nations. So while I'm sure the CIA, KGB, Mossad, and probably everybody else was using Epstein links for their own purposes, I doubt any agencies actually set out to create the whole thing. It was a convenient hub of juicy information and influence and therefore a target of interest. Much like how if you set up a drug-running or smuggling scheme eventually organized crime is going to involve itself.
 
Maybe.
However, when I google "the use of blackmail in spying and intelligence," I get this: The Strategic Use of Blackmail in Intelligence Operations
And Google's AI says:
Blackmail is used in spying and intelligence through "biographic leverage," where negative information about an individual is used to coerce them into cooperating, often by threatening to reveal embarrassing or damaging information. Common methods include exploiting personal scandals, financial problems, or criminal pasts, and using tactics like "honey traps" to create compromising situations that can be used for coercion. While some national intelligence agencies state they do not use blackmail, its use by intelligence services to recruit or pressure individuals remains a documented, though controversial, tactic.
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Kompromat: Notable cases (Wikipedia)

We know that it was a method favored by this guy:
J. Edgar Hoover: COINTELPRO and the 1950s (Wikipedia)
Hoover amassed significant power by collecting files containing large amounts of compromising and potentially embarrassing information on many powerful people, especially politicians. According to Laurence Silberman, appointed Deputy Attorney General in early 1974, FBI Director Clarence M. Kelley thought such files either did not exist or had been destroyed. After The Washington Postbroke a story in January 1975, Kelley searched and found them in his outer office.
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There is the puzzling question of how he managed to become as rich and powerful as he was, and there's this:
Jeffrey Epstein: Career: Financial troubleshooter (1981–1987) (Wikipedia)
In the mid-1980s, Epstein traveled multiple times between the United States, Europe, and the Middle East. While in London, Epstein met Steven Hoffenberg. They had been introduced through Douglas Leese, a defense contractor, and John Mitchell, the former US attorney general. An anonymous source met with Epstein and Leese as early as 1981. Epstein also stated to some people at the time that he was an intelligence agent. Epstein associate Hoffenberg in 2020 alleged that Epstein was recruited in the 1980s by Leese to work for British intelligence, and that Hoffenberg introduced Epstein to Robert Maxwell.
During the 1980s, Epstein possessed an Austrian passport that had his photo, but with a false name. The passport showed his place of residence as Saudi Arabia. In 2017, "a former senior White House official" reported that Alexander Acosta, the US Attorneyfor the Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case at the end of the George W. Bush administration, had stated to interviewers of President Donald Trump's first transition team: "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to 'leave it alone'", and that Epstein was "above his pay grade".
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And even more here:
Jeffrey Epstein: Alleged connections to intelligence agencies (Wikipedia)
 
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TragicMonkey said:
I think an elite sex-trade/extortion racket naturally generated tons of illicit money and contacts with the wealthy and powerful, and such a network would necessarily be useful to the intelligence services of any/some/most nations. So while I'm sure the CIA, KGB, Mossad, and probably everybody else was using Epstein links for their own purposes, I doubt any agencies actually set out to create the whole thing. It was a convenient hub of juicy information and influence and therefore a target of interest. Much like how if you set up a drug-running or smuggling scheme eventually organized crime is going to involve itself.
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I have no difficulty believing that Epstein would have taken cash to supply compromat to Putin, the CIA, Mossad, MI6, The World Daily News, Ripley's Believe It or Not, the Writers of The Simpsons, Trey Parker, Matt Stone, Crowley, Azerafel and The Mother's Union if they could come up with the readies.
 
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