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Psychics and Missing People
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Kelly
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Good news!
I just spoke to Marc Klaas' right hand man, and he is sure Marc will participate in the blog series, although we can't say to what degree because of his busy schedule.
I just spoke to Marc Klaas' right hand man, and he is sure Marc will participate in the blog series, although we can't say to what degree because of his busy schedule.
rjh01
Gentleman of leisure
Apologies if this is slightly off topic. What does happen to people who disappear?
As for a name keep it slightly vague so that it does not become meaningless when you expand a little eg QANTAS - Queensland and Northern Tertiary Airline Service is an example where they failed to heed this advice.
As for a name keep it slightly vague so that it does not become meaningless when you expand a little eg QANTAS - Queensland and Northern Tertiary Airline Service is an example where they failed to heed this advice.
Kelly
Philosopher
NO one has stats on what happened to the missing persons. Stats on adults are not required to be kept by LE. Stats on children are, but in my surveys, I found this wasn't always happening either. When I speak of these stats, I am talking about new cases entered. No one keeps stats on who ranaway vs who was abducted, etc when the case if resolved.
Up front, (going from memory) I think that 80% are called runaways, 17% are parental abductions, and 3% are non-family kidnappings. These stats are children only. Sadly, almost all but the younger children are pegged as runaways in absence of proof, so the 80% figure is not correct. We just don't know what is correct.
I believe we are going to go with www.psychicpredators.com but thank you for the idea.
Kelly
Philosopher
I have received a family's story about Sylvia Browne and the Montel Show in which they, apparently, retaped her portion after the fact.
Would anyone want to write a guest piece for the blog series about TV psychics and the tricks they use? It would include editing, audience plants, use of earpices, hidden microphones, etc.
Would anyone want to write a guest piece for the blog series about TV psychics and the tricks they use? It would include editing, audience plants, use of earpices, hidden microphones, etc.
ObscureReferenceMan
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Kelly,
If you need anyone to infiltrate any of the New York based TV shows (like Montel), let me know. I'm just a few train stops away. And I love the thought of being an "inside man".
Kelly
Philosopher
Kelly,
If you need anyone to infiltrate any of the New York based TV shows (like Montel), let me know. I'm just a few train stops away. And I love the thought of being an "inside man".
That would be fun to do, but unless some family member is going to be on the show and tells me, I don't know when they are having a missing person segment. What I do know is that traditionally, SB does a Wednesday show. I did hear that they are not having her do missing person readings at this time. (That may have been her demand.)
They were also on seasonal hiatus, and I believe are to return this week. http://www.montelshow.com/misc/tickets/ is the page about getting tickets to go, and you'd almost have to see if they would tell you which taping is going to be with her.
If everything goes right, I would like to start my blog series on 3/6, and depending on how many stories I get, it could go on for a week, maybe 10 days.
Thanks.
The_Fire
Unimpressed Female
I actually think that getting testimonys from people with experience of the non-results of the frauds is a good idea.
Maybe the new site could have an article section for this purpose?
Maybe the new site could have an article section for this purpose?
Kelly
Philosopher
This is an excellent idea and I'm sure we will do this over time.
I'm not getting very many stories at this point. I am wondering if it is because people are
A) embarassed to admit they used psychics
B) afraid the psychic will sue them
C) doesn't want to appear to have closed the door to psychics in case they're for real and one of them could help find their missing loved one
D) feels it is a private issue/decision
E) something else I am not thinking of
Gr8wight
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Many people who use psychics and get no results make their own excuses for the psychics' failure. Psychics are experts at emotional manipulation. They convince their 'marks' of their own good intentions, often spinning extensive stories of how they have gone through hardship in order to 'help' the people. I would be willing to bet that a lot of the people who have used psychics, even though they have not had any results, feel kindly towards the psychic (or at least some kind of obligation) and do not want to say anything bad about them.
Kelly
Philosopher
I hadn't thought of this, but it does make sense. It's a relative to the odd dependency relationship between an abductor and the abducted. (There is a name for this syndrome, but it alludes me right now.)
I had a friend who died young, and whose parents, when prayer failed to bring him back to life, blamed themselves for their lack of faith.
This was without prodding from some other party. If the psychic fails to find a child, any doubting at all by the parent may be seized upon by the parasite, to actively cast blame on the parent, induce guilt to motivate further payment, and to keep the leech's record intact.
I think that, once you have a few stories up there, people will see the extent to which the vultures have lied to them, and will eventually open up and share their own stories of victimization by these tapeworms.
This was without prodding from some other party. If the psychic fails to find a child, any doubting at all by the parent may be seized upon by the parasite, to actively cast blame on the parent, induce guilt to motivate further payment, and to keep the leech's record intact.
I think that, once you have a few stories up there, people will see the extent to which the vultures have lied to them, and will eventually open up and share their own stories of victimization by these tapeworms.
Kelly
Philosopher
I know a woman who says if you pray hard enough, you'll get the answers. I find it insulting.
In one of my own stories, which I will lead with, this very thing happened. I was appalled that the psychic would try to turn my own family member against me.
I have one story submitted, and 4 others promised. Perhaps after seeing mine, some will come clean about it.
Roadtoad
Bufo Caminus Inedibilis
If John Walsh hadn't decided there might be some value in "psychics," he had a great story in his book Tears of Rage, which pretty much summed it all up.
I'll post the pertinent points here if it's legal, and appropriate.
I'll post the pertinent points here if it's legal, and appropriate.
prewitt81
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I'd like to help in any way possible. This summer marks 10 years since my cousin Morgan Violi was kidnapped and murdered. I remember vividly when my aunt was told that a psychic was interested in the case. I wasn't the hardcore skeptic that I am now, but I never bought into psychic phenomena. I wanted to speak up against the idea, but decided that it wasn't my place.
I've regretted it ever since. I'd like the opportunity to redeem myself. I'll mod a forum, if you have it, or anything else that I could do to help (even if it's just to donate money).
I've regretted it ever since. I'd like the opportunity to redeem myself. I'll mod a forum, if you have it, or anything else that I could do to help (even if it's just to donate money).
Roadtoad
Bufo Caminus Inedibilis
The weird thing about what you posted, prewitt, is that the suspect looks like a guy I used to work with. (Except the dude I worked with had no chin, and drove a very late model Dodge pickup.) I doubt it's the same person, but then, you never can tell. I'll keep an eye peeled.
If he's killed once, he'll do it again.
If he's killed once, he'll do it again.