Split Thread Are Antifa and violent leftists the cause of everything wrong in America?

[Opcode]

Oh dear. Quoting Daily Mail, aka Daily Fail, aka Daily Heil, aka parrot-cage liner.

Why do I get a feeling of déjà vu from this? Oh, because I already posted a reply to somebody who tried this fail argument previously. As I wrote before, I posted the official Clackamas County report of Alissa Azar's affiliation with Antifa and arrest and conviction for violent crimes, but you chose to ignore that, just so you could try discrediting my "Daily Mail" citation. That's really small-minded of you.

Azar found guilty after 2021 clash with Proud Boys at Clackamette Park | Clackamas County

Alissa Azar was found guilty by a Clackamas County jury Aug. 14 on charges related to a 2021 riot in Oregon City that involved a clash between Antifa and Proud Boys.

www.clackamas.us

"...purported to be antifa leader...". But there is no antifa leadership, no organisation, no structure, no bosses. Might you not be concerned that a ◊◊◊◊-posting rag like the Mail totally made that up for gullible people like you? Hmmm

If you bothered to research at all, you would see that the "Daily Mail" is one of scores of sources of this information. You think they all got it from them?

Oh. A year in prison, or a year in prison. THAT'S your distinction?

It's up to a year in jail or more than a year in prison. I didn't make up that rule.

 

[Opcode]

In which fairy tale fantasy did this happen?

The one called reality. The one where they cause more than a billion dollars in damage nationwide and resulted in prison sentences.

 

[AmyStrange]

Why do I get a feeling of déjà vu from this? Oh, because I already posted a reply to somebody who tried this fail argument previously. As I wrote before, I posted the official Clackamas County report of Alissa Azar's affiliation with Antifa and arrest and conviction for violent crimes, but you chose to ignore that, just so you could try discrediting my "Daily Mail" citation. That's really small-minded of you.

Azar found guilty after 2021 clash with Proud Boys at Clackamette Park | Clackamas County

Alissa Azar was found guilty by a Clackamas County jury Aug. 14 on charges related to a 2021 riot in Oregon City that involved a clash between Antifa and Proud Boys.

www.clackamas.us

If you bothered to research at all, you would see that the "Daily Mail" is one of scores of sources of this information. You think they all got it from them?

It's up to a year in jail or more than a year in prison. I didn't make up that rule.

Gawd! It's like reading a broken record based on blanket statements and faulty thinking, but thanks for your attention to this matter.

 

[AmyStrange]

The one called reality. The one where they cause more than a billion dollars in damage nationwide and resulted in prison sentences.

Your reality consists of blanket statements based on opinions and lies, but no proof.

Sounds to me like you're channeling the fat clown.

 

[Darat]

Let's start with Portland, since this conversation will be predictable.

What evidence do you have that it was burnt down?

 

[AmyStrange]

What evidence do you have that it was burnt down?

They have none.

 

[Pixel42]

That wasn't an Antifa group. That was Patriot Guard Riders (PGR).

I'm prepared to bet that if you contacted PGR and asked them if they were anti fascist, they would say yes.

They aren't associated with Antifa and they have completely different tactics than Antifa.

What are the tactics of Antifa? Where can I find them, and the organisation's leaders, listed? How does a group or individual go about getting themselves "associated with Antifa"?

There are plenty of groups and individuals who are anti fascist. There is no group or organisation named Antifa.

 

[Opcode]

Can you name any of them? Who is in charge of your local Antifa group?

I named Alissa Azar, who was convicted and sentenced for organizing a violent Antifa protest.

"She [Azar] played a lead role in amplifying, promoting and organizing a violent brawl in a public park," Cutino argued. "She admitted that she would do it again and the message from our community should be clear that violence of this sort should not be tolerated."

BREAKING: Portland Antifa ‘ringleader’ Alissa Azar sentenced to jail over felony conviction

A violent Antifa “ringleader” who became the chief propagandist for the movement in Portland has been sentenced to 14 days in jail following a jury conviction for felony rioting and other crimes in Clackamas County. Alissa Azar is the first Antifa member to be convicted at trial in Oregon.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[Opcode]

Some members of the crowd marched to the Multnomah County Justice Center, the county jail and police headquarters. Video showed some protesters breaking windows on the building before entering, damaged computers, spraying graffiti and setting a small fire.

Yup...billions of dollars worth of damage and the city just burned down.

Is that suppose to show they are innocent?

 

[Opcode]

What evidence do you have that it was burnt down?

Official government reports, for one:

"Attacks on federal personnel and property over the previous several days have included violent attacks on federal officers with weapons as well as efforts to start fires at the Hatfield Federal Courthouse with federal law enforcement officers inside the building."

https://www.dhs.gov/archive/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21#:~:text=Attacks%20on%20federal%20personnel%20and,enforcement%20officers%20inside%20the%20building.

Photojournalist videos for another:

Video: Portland Protesters Smash Windows and Set Fires in Multnomah County Justice Center

Protesters marched into downtown following a peaceful vigil in North Portland’s Peninsula Park for George Floyd, a black man killed by a white police officer in Minneapolis, Minn. on May 26.

www.wweek.com

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I named Alissa Azar, who was convicted and sentenced for organizing a violent Antifa protest.

"She [Azar] played a lead role in amplifying, promoting and organizing a violent brawl in a public park," Cutino argued. "She admitted that she would do it again and the message from our community should be clear that violence of this sort should not be tolerated."

BREAKING: Portland Antifa ‘ringleader’ Alissa Azar sentenced to jail over felony conviction

A violent Antifa “ringleader” who became the chief propagandist for the movement in Portland has been sentenced to 14 days in jail following a jury conviction for felony rioting and other crimes in Clackamas County. Alissa Azar is the first Antifa member to be convicted at trial in Oregon.

thepostmillennial.com

your smoking gun for a nation-wide secret violent organization is a single person being sentenced to 14 days?!?!!??

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Official government reports, for one:

"Attacks on federal personnel and property over the previous several days have included violent attacks on federal officers with weapons as well as efforts to start fires at the Hatfield Federal Courthouse with federal law enforcement officers inside the building."

https://www.dhs.gov/archive/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21#:~:text=Attacks%20on%20federal%20personnel%20and,enforcement%20officers%20inside%20the%20building.

Photojournalist videos for another:

Video: Portland Protesters Smash Windows and Set Fires in Multnomah County Justice Center

Protesters marched into downtown following a peaceful vigil in North Portland’s Peninsula Park for George Floyd, a black man killed by a white police officer in Minneapolis, Minn. on May 26.

www.wweek.com

Portland is slightly bigger than a single building - while smoking, certainly not much of a gun when it comes to evidence of widespread lawlessness.

 

[Opcode]

I'm prepared to bet that if you contacted PGR and asked them if they were anti fascist, they would say yes.

Mere speculation on your part. But, don't ask them if they are anti-fascists. Ask them if they are Antifa. If they say they are not, then my statement stands. If they say they are, then it proves that Antifa exists in organized groups. Win-win for my position.

What are the tactics of Antifa?

Social disruption, marches, rioting, vandalism. Not the sort of things done by people who form a silent human wall.

Where can I find them, and the organisation's leaders, listed? How does a group or individual go about getting themselves "associated with Antifa"?

You should not mistake me for a recruiter.

There are plenty of groups and individuals who are anti fascist. There is no group or organisation named Antifa.

Any statement coming from a Leftist likely is a lie, especially when it concerns their agenda. One of those lies is the claim that anybody who opposes fascism is Antifa. Actual Antifa is a Communist group, all the way back since before WWII in Germany and Italy. Antifa isn't simply anti-fascists; they are pro-Communist, anti-Capitalist.

 

[Susheel]

Is that suppose to show they are innocent?

Nope...it shows that stories of massive violence and burning are hyperbole.

 

[AmyStrange]

Social disruption, marches, rioting, vandalism. Not the sort of things done by people who form a silent human wall.

Doesn't sound like antifa to me, but then again, I'm not delusional like the fat clown and his maga weirdoes.

 

[AmyStrange]

Any statement coming from a Leftist likely is a lie, especially when it concerns their agenda. One of those lies is the claim that anybody who opposes fascism is Antifa. Actual Antifa is a Communist group, all the way back since before WWII in Germany and Italy. Antifa isn't simply anti-fascists; they are pro-Communist, anti-Capitalist.

Look who's talking... bwahahahahaha

 

[Opcode]

your smoking gun for a nation-wide secret violent organization is a single person being sentenced to 14 days?!?!!??

If you want to call it that, yes. Why, what's your objection?

 

[AmyStrange]

If you want to call it that, yes. Why, what's your objection?

My objection (like someone here already posted) is that it's all hyperbole with no proof.

 

[Pixel42]

Actual Antifa is a Communist group, all the way back since before WWII in Germany and Italy. Antifa isn't simply anti-fascists; they are pro-Communist, anti-Capitalist.

Then you should be able to point to evidence of their existence, leadership, membership, meetings, agenda and tactics, all going back many decades. Please do so.

 

[Opcode]

Then you should be able to point to evidence of their existence, leadership, membership, meetings, agenda and tactics, all going back many decades. Please do so.

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