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Split Thread Virginia Guiffre v Duke of York

zooterkin said:
The King is now removing all of Andrew's titles, and he will have to move out of his house. Still no admission that Andrew has done anything wrong, of course.

www.theguardian.com

Prince Andrew to be stripped of titles and forced to leave Windsor home

King’s brother will become known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, Buckingham Palace says, in latest fallout from Epstein scandal
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I don't see how he can. 'Prince' is a title Andrew was born with and cannot be 'taken away' by any individual. Likewise, his titles were gifted by the Queen or were conferred owing to his naval retirement package, lodge membership, Letters of Patent, etc. Only an Act of Parliament can formally strip his legally-entitled statuses. I suspect what has really happened is that the titles have simply been put into abeyance, to appease perceived public anti-monarchy feelings. Rather like 'Ginge and Cringe' being told not to use their HRH title.
 
Vixen said:
I don't see how he can. 'Prince' is a title Andrew was born with and cannot be 'taken away' by any individual. Likewise, his titles were gifted by the Queen or were conferred owing to his naval retirement package, lodge membership, Letters of Patent, etc. Only an Act of Parliament can formally strip his legally-entitled statuses. I suspect what has really happened is that the titles have simply been put into abeyance, to appease perceived public anti-monarchy feelings. Rather like 'Ginge and Cringe' being told not to use their HRH title.
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Did you read the article? It says exactly how the King is doing it.
 
Vixen said:
I don't see how he can. 'Prince' is a title Andrew was born with and cannot be 'taken away' by any individual. Likewise, his titles were gifted by the Queen or were conferred owing to his naval retirement package, lodge membership, Letters of Patent, etc. Only an Act of Parliament can formally strip his legally-entitled statuses. I suspect what has really happened is that the titles have simply been put into abeyance, to appease perceived public anti-monarchy feelings. Rather like 'Ginge and Cringe' being told not to use their HRH title.
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No one is born with a title. That aside you are wrong, all the HRH nonsense and the like are the playthings of the monarchy. The parliamentary legislation all deals with the monarch and succession to the monarchY. Everything else is by convention, not law.

ETA: the one thing Charles can't do is remove him from the line of succession, that would require parliament to change the legislation.
 
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Darat said:
No one is born with a title. That aside you are wrong, all the HRH nonsense and the like are the playthings of the monarchy. The parliamentary legislation all deals with the monarch and succession to the monarchY. Everything else is by convention, not law.

ETA: the one thing Charles can't do is remove him from the line of succession, that would require parliament to change the legislation.
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Or an unfortunate 'accident' on the road to his new accomodation? :cool:
 
Darat said:
No one is born with a title. That aside you are wrong, all the HRH nonsense and the like are the playthings of the monarchy. The parliamentary legislation all deals with the monarch and succession to the monarchY. Everything else is by convention, not law.

ETA: the one thing Charles can't do is remove him from the line of succession, that would require parliament to change the legislation.
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Even then, it'd need to be justified to apply to future royal offspring. Convention since William the Conqueror is that titles are handed down through the male line* so if Andrew formally known as Prince is no longer one, I don't see how Beatrice and Eugenie get to carry on being princesses, albeit in their case, more an honorary title, thanks to Andrew having a massive strop over it and being Mummy's favourite son. All these useless spares.

*Until recently.
 
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Vixen said:
I don't see how Beatrice and Eugenie get to carry on being princesses
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www.bbc.co.uk

What we know about Prince Andrew losing his titles and Royal Lodge

The language of Buckingham Palace's statement is "very brutal", royal historian Kelly Swaby tells the BBC.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

For their daughters - Beatrice, 37 and Eugenie, 35 - there is no formal change.

They will still be princesses because they are the daughters of the son of a sovereign - in line with King George V's Letters Patent of 1917.

Their places in the line of succession will also stay the same.
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Vixen said:
Even then, it'd need to be justified to apply to future royal offspring. Convention since William the Conqueror is that titles are handed down through the male line* so if Andrew formally known as Prince is no longer one, I don't see how Beatrice and Eugenie get to carry on being princesses, albeit in their case, more an honorary title, thanks to Andrew having a massive strop over it and being Mummy's favourite son. All these useless spares.

*Until recently.
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Because it is all made up nonsense, traditions are pulled out of nowhere when they want one or dropped when they want to. It is whatever the "royal" family decide it is at the moment.
 
Vixen said:
Prince Edward's children don't have the prince/princess titles and he's the son of a then reigning monarch. This was part of a massive trimming down of the royal family back in the day but Andrew was having none of it.
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They do - but they apparently don't use those titles.
 
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