Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[acbytesla]

Women leaving violent men is not the primary driver of the high fatherlessness rate among the poor. This is an excuse, because it happens sometimes, but it's not what's mostly going on.

Then pray tell, what is going on? They weren't taught about sex at an early age? Or that they couldn't afford a condom?

 

[Ziggurat]

I think it's hilarious!

Why?

As does my wife who I met online after she had got divorced from her husband. She had a five year old son, who's now nearly 18.

Did she have this child with a man she thought wouldn't stay around to raise her child? Sometimes things don't work out, but if you go in expecting the father-to-be to leave (and that happens), that's a really bad idea.

 

[Ziggurat]

Then pray tell, what is going on? They weren't taught about sex at an early age? Or that they couldn't afford a condom?

They are choosing to have children with fathers who won't stick around.

 

[acbytesla]

They are choosing to have children with fathers who won't stick around.

Nonsense!

You want to reduce unwanted pregnancies? Teach sex education. Teach it in 5th grade, 6th grade 7th grade, etc. Don't stigmatize sex. And make condoms cheap or free, and easy to get. It's a fact that teaching abstinence is a total failure. Doesn't work and leads to more unwanted pregnancies. Not fewer.

 

[Ziggurat]

Nonsense!

Why is it nonsense? Because it doesn't follow your preferred narrative?

You want to reduce unwanted pregnancies? Teach sex education.

Who said they were unwanted? A woman who has 5 kids with 3 dads isn't unaware of how she gets pregnant.

It's a fact that teaching abstinence is a total failure. Doesn't work and leads to more unwanted pregnancies. Not fewer.

I never said anything about abstinence education. This is an irrelevant strawman AND a derail.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Why?

Did she have this child with a man she thought wouldn't stay around to raise her child? Sometimes things don't work out, but if you go in expecting the father-to-be to leave (and that happens), that's a really bad idea.

Some women have mental health problems that lead them to behave in self destructive ways. These are a combination of genetics and poor childhood experiences, the latter being more frequent growing up in poverty.

The idea that a significant proportion of women have a baby knowing that the father is not going to be around is ridiculous. Most who do so will be wealthy women.

 

[Ziggurat]

Some women have mental health problems that lead them to behave in self destructive ways.

Yes, some women do. But again, you're making excuses. Mental health problems isn't the reason for the soaring rates of fatherlessness either.

The idea that a significant proportion of women have a baby knowing that the father is not going to be around is ridiculous.

Argument from incredulity is a fallacy.

 

[Poem]

Yes, some women do. But again, you're making excuses. Mental health problems isn't the reason for the soaring rates of fatherlessness either.

Argument from incredulity is a fallacy.

Maybe some more context to your position would help?

 

[acbytesla]

Why is it nonsense? Because it doesn't follow your preferred narrative?

No, it's nonsense because it's nonsense. You're the one that pulled a narrative out of your ass.

Who said they were unwanted? A woman who has 5 kids with 3 dads isn't unaware of how she gets pregnant.

So unbelievably rare today.

I never said anything about abstinence education. This is an irrelevant strawman AND a derail.

It's already been derailed. This thread was about that we live in a rape culture because of porn. Not that a social safety net leads to increased pregnancies and a legacy of poverty. I don't get the American right. On the one hand they are against any kind of social safety net, but also are against teaching sexual education and health-care that prevents unwanted babies.

You're the one here pushing us off the rails suggesting that lots of poor women are getting pregnant deliberately so they can get benefits.

Now maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you are for those things. But it sure looks like the typical Republican pablum.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Yes, some women do. But again, you're making excuses. Mental health problems isn't the reason for the soaring rates of fatherlessness either.

I suggest you go listen very carefully to the lyrics of the Pulp song "Common People".

Argument from incredulity is a fallacy.

This is a stupid question to ask I know, but have you ever been poor, or have any poor friends?

 

[Ziggurat]

No, it's nonsense because it's nonsense. You're the one that pulled a narrative out of your ass.

Again, argument from incredulity is a fallacy.

So unbelievably rare today.

Unbelievably rare?

Over One in Five Couples Who Live Together Have Children from Multiple Partners

A new U.S. Census Bureau report looks at patterns of multiple partner fertility among married and unmarried couples.

www.census.gov

You're the one here pushing us off the rails suggesting that lots of poor women are getting pregnant deliberately so they can get benefits.

I didn't say or suggest that. I said that the benefits structure incentivizes poor mothers to not stay with the father. I made no claims at all about why they choose to get pregnant. That's completely your own invention.

 

[acbytesla]

Again, argument from incredulity is a fallacy.

You didn't make an argument. You made a claim.

Unbelievably rare?

Over One in Five Couples Who Live Together Have Children from Multiple Partners

A new U.S. Census Bureau report looks at patterns of multiple partner fertility among married and unmarried couples.

www.census.gov

So do I!

All that really suggests is that some people have multiple marriages in their life. I have two older half siblings and four full blooded siblings and a step sister. My father was born in 1922. Married four times. Who cares?

Also, that's not five children from three different father. Few families today have more than three kids today.

I didn't say or suggest that. I said that the benefits structure incentivizes poor mothers to not stay with the father. I made no claims at all about why they choose to get pregnant. That's completely your own invention.

A distinction with little difference.

 

[Ziggurat]

You didn't make an argument. You made a claim.

And your argument that my claim was false was an argument from incredulity.

 

[acbytesla]

And your argument that my claim was false was an argument from incredulity.

No, it was a statement saying your claim was bull. I know better.

 

[theprestige]

Nonsense!

You want to reduce unwanted pregnancies? Teach sex education. Teach it in 5th grade, 6th grade 7th grade, etc. Don't stigmatize sex. And make condoms cheap or free, and easy to get. It's a fact that teaching abstinence is a total failure. Doesn't work and leads to more unwanted pregnancies. Not fewer.

We're not talking about unwanted pregnancies. We're talking about absentee fathers. That's not a sex-education problem, that's a responsibility-and-respect-education problem.

 

[acbytesla]

We're not talking about unwanted pregnancies. We're talking about absentee fathers. That's not a sex-education problem, that's a responsibility-and-respect-education problem.

That still has nothing to do with porn and rape.

But why do you think the fathers aren't there?

Good sex education, lots of access to birth control leads to fewer unwanted pregnancies

And therefore fewer children with absent fathers. Doh.

 

[theprestige]

That still has nothing to do with porn and rape.

But why do you think the fathers aren't there?

Good sex education, lots of access to birth control leads to fewer unwanted pregnancies

And therefore fewer children with absent fathers. Doh.

Washington DC has the highest percentage of single mothers in the nation.

Washington DC schools are progressive in their values and curriculum.

Washington DC student demographics are majority black.

So either progressive educators in the region are turbo racists, or else progressive curricula in the region cold suck at teaching sex ed, personal responsibility, self-respect, and respect for others.

I'd say "physician, heal thyself" but at this point I'd settle for physician heal any goddamn thing just once.

 

[acbytesla]

The state with the highest percentage of single-parent households is Louisiana, with around 41.72% of families headed by a single parent. Following Louisiana, other states with a high percentage of single-parent households include Mississippi (around 33%) and the District of Columbia (around 39.3%).
Highest percentages by state
Louisiana: ~41.72% of families are headed by a single parent.
District of Columbia: ~39.3% of families are headed by a single parent.
Mississippi: ~32.8% of families are headed by a single parent.
Delaware: ~29.1% of families are headed by a single parent.
South Carolina: ~23.9% of families are headed by a single parent.

 

[Trausti]

The state with the highest percentage of single-parent households is Louisiana, with around 41.72% of families headed by a single parent. Following Louisiana, other states with a high percentage of single-parent households include Mississippi (around 33%) and the District of Columbia (around 39.3%).
Highest percentages by state
Louisiana: ~41.72% of families are headed by a single parent.
District of Columbia: ~39.3% of families are headed by a single parent.
Mississippi: ~32.8% of families are headed by a single parent.
Delaware: ~29.1% of families are headed by a single parent.
South Carolina: ~23.9% of families are headed by a single parent.

This more likely due to demographics than the teaching of sex ed.

 

[acbytesla]

The cities with the lowest number of single parents. Also correlates closely to the least religious cities in the US.

40 Los Angeles, CA 35.1% 117,450 24.8% 10.3%
41 Aurora, CO 34.6% 13,650 26.8% 7.8%
42 Sacramento, CA 34.4% 17,644 23.8% 10.6%
43 Omaha, NE 34.1% 17,194 24.6% 9.5%
44 Oakland, CA 33.6% 11,816 25.2% 8.4%
45 Raleigh, NC 32.1% 15,056 25.3% 6.8%
46 Colorado Springs, CO 31.7% 16,783 22.1% 9.6%
47 Austin, TX 30.0% 29,720 21.3% 8.7%
48 Denver, CO 29.0% 19,715 22.0% 6.9%
49 Virginia Beach, VA 28.7% 14,138 22.0% 6.7%
50 San Diego, CA 28.0% 36,833 21.2% 6.8%
51 Anaheim, CA 26.4% 9,371 20.1% 6.3%
52 Portland, OR 26.3% 15,460 20.0% 6.2%
53 Seattle, WA 25.2% 15,532 17.3% 7.9%
54 San Francisco, CA 23.0% 14,374 17.0% 5.9%
55 San Jose, CA 21.7% 23,504 14.2% 7.5%

Do you think this is because of them thar liberals?