Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Ziggurat said:
You have that backwards. Parents living together, especially if they are poor, is MORE stable than living apart.
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Ah, so this is the secret plan of neoliberal politics: make 90% of the population poor so more parents stay together.
Ziggurat said:
Living expenses are higher when you live apart than when you live together. Heating two homes is more expensive than heating one home. All the problems you talk about are easier, not harder, to deal with when two parents living together work together on those problems.
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And women know this. Those are some of the reasons they stay with abusive partners.
 
Ziggurat said:
“Violence against women and girls is a national emergency, and this government is committed to halving it within a decade."

No, the government is not committed to anything of the sort. I wish it were, but it isn't. Want to cut down on violence against women and girls? Fix your ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up immigration issues.

Actually prosecute your groomer gangs. Target the people who are actually committing violence against women and girls.

Going after porn is a way to posture, to say you're doing something without having to address the actual, important problems. Because going after the actual problems would piss people off that the government isn't willing to piss off.
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I'm not finding evidence online that backs this up. It came up earlier in the thread. The Guardian article I cited had it that there are as many white gangs (based on proportion of population).
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Ah, so this is the secret plan of neoliberal politics: make 90% of the population poor so more parents stay together.
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Are you trying to reach the stupidest conclusions possible?
Ivor the Engineer said:
And women know this. Those are some of the reasons they stay with abusive partners.
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That might happen sometimes. But when a woman has five kids with three different baby daddies, none of whom have ever lived with her, that's not an accident. That's not an abusive partner. That's not someone pushed into a situation by financial necessity. That's a choice.
 
Ziggurat said:
That might happen sometimes. But when a woman has five kids with three different baby daddies, none of whom have ever lived with her, that's not an accident. That's not an abusive partner. That's not someone pushed into a situation by financial necessity. That's a choice.
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Do we have an advocate for sexual restraint and monogamy?
 
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Ivor the Engineer said:
Acausal free will is not in line with indeterminism. Indeterminism is basically because (as far as we know) there will always be a limit on our knowledge of the state of the universe, not that anything in it at a human level of significance is acausal. E.g., acausal describes the decay of radioactive particles, not the functioning of human brain cells.

Applying acausality at the human level is attractive because it allows us to blame people and deny all responsibility for our part in the system, when the reality is that what we do next is determined by what happened before plus a bit of noise. We can say people are responsible for something, but not blame them; what else could they have done other than what they did?
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There are so many elements here that I fear it would take forever to unravel. For one thing - it isn't proven that radioactive decay is acausal.
 
Poem said:
I'm not finding evidence online that backs this up. It came up earlier in the thread. The Guardian article I cited had it that there are as many white gangs (based on proportion of population).
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www.migrationcentral.co.uk

Up to 47% of sexual offence charges in London last year were foreign nationals

In 2024 between 40% and 47% of those charged for sexual offences were foreign nationals - despite them accounting for just a quarter of the capital's population.
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Note that foreign-born citizens are being counted as British nationals, and not foreign nationals. The breakdown by country of origin would probably tilt the statistics even more. But even as is, the rate of sexual offense for British nationals was 6.5 per 100,000. For Afghan nationals, it was 74.17. That's over a 10x offense rate. But not all immigrants are the same. Zambian nationals had a rate of just 1.67, for example, which is well below the British average. And Zambia is a pretty poor nation, so it's not just about poverty either. It's about culture.
 
Ziggurat said:
In the context of having and raising kids? Absolutely.
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Are you saying that this is foundational to a stable, successful society? That many of the modern social ills stem from this breakdown (for breakdown it has)?
 
Poem said:
Are you saying that this is foundational to a stable, successful society? That many of the modern social ills stem from this breakdown (for breakdown it has)?
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I have been saying that for years.
 
Poem said:
What would be the first step in putting this right? Sexual restraint and monogamy are out of favour at the moment (in the West at least) wouldn't you say?
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The biggest policy change we could do that would make a positive difference is to change the welfare structure that incentivizes women with children to stay single in order to maximize their benefits.
 
Ziggurat said:
The biggest policy change we could do that would make a positive difference is to change the welfare structure that incentivizes women with children to stay single in order to maximize their benefits.
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Regarding which country?
 
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Ziggurat said:
The biggest policy change we could do that would make a positive difference is to change the welfare structure that incentivizes women with children to stay single in order to maximize their benefits.
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Oh what a surprise! Let's use a bigger stick!

What effect does making parents poorer have on their ability to look after their children?

ETA: Though on reading your comment again there is a chance you want to maintain a mother's benefits if she finds a partner.
 
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Poem said:
What would be the first step in putting this right? Sexual restraint and monogamy are out of favour at the moment (in the West at least) wouldn't you say?
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What on earth are you talking about? To which era are you comparing it to?
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Oh what a surprise! Let's use a bigger stick!
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Your biases are showing. Are you unaware that my stated goal can be achieved by increasing rather than decreasing welfare benefits? Instead of depriving single mothers of benefits, you can also extend those benefits to married mothers.

No, of course it didn't occur to you. You're so stuck in viewing the issue in your existing partisan framework that what should be obvious no longer is.
 
Ziggurat said:
Your biases are showing. Are you unaware that my stated goal can be achieved by increasing rather than decreasing welfare benefits? Instead of depriving single mothers of benefits, you can also extend those benefits to married mothers.

No, of course it didn't occur to you. You're so stuck in viewing the issue in your existing partisan framework that what should be obvious no longer is.
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I did add a comment to that effect but you replied just before I added it.

So which is it, are you in favour of maintaining a mother's benefits irrespective of her relationship status, or something else?

Why would you want to given that you believe poverty is not a significant factor? Wouldn't making her poorer motivate her to find a man so she can freeload off the state?
 
Poem said:
Do you think that sexual restraint and monogamy are critical for child rearing and fundamental to a successful society?
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I have no idea what you mean by sexual restraint.

I think children can thrive in many types of family. What they need most are care, love and stability. All of those are harder to provide when you're poor.
 
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