Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

[smartcooky]

'I was snitched on for putting up 150 British flags and lost my teaching job'

Shaun Remmer, 49, says he has been left 'devastated'

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Yup, freedom of expression is alive and well in the UK.

 

[Mojo]

He didn't. It looks to me like he brought it up once and discussed it in the context of disproving the guy's claim to be an impartial observer.

It's just like Theresa May's claim that a foreign national couldn't be deported "because, and I am not making this up, he had a pet cat."

She was making it up.

 

[EHocking]

Why do you keep bringing up the Star of David?

Right wing media is a favourite source for DINOs?

 

[jimbob]

'I was snitched on for putting up 150 British flags and lost my teaching job'

Shaun Remmer, 49, says he has been left 'devastated'

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Yup, freedom of expression is alive an well in the UK.

He wasn't a teacher, he was a teaching assistant.
He wasn't prosecuted, he lost a job dealing with kids. Probably including kids from British Asian backgrounds.

Regardless of any excuses, these flags are being put up to deliver a xenophobic message against British Asians and Muslims. He would have been unable to be perceived as impartial.

It's one reason why many schools have rules about their staff indulging in overt partisan politics etc.

Also a lot of the putting up of flags has been technically vandalism.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

'I was snitched on for putting up 150 British flags and lost my teaching job'

Shaun Remmer, 49, says he has been left 'devastated'

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Yup, freedom of expression is alive and well in the UK.

The words 'alleged' and 'claims' pop up in that article a LOT.

Not to mention that Manchester Evening News is again not the most reliable news source.
When I still worked in the UK we had an explosion in the lab due to human error. MEN then had a very nice article where it was claimed the materials were 'also used in NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!!!'. Turns out, yes nuclear power plants use acetone too.
So your source is not above making quite broad and ill informed accusations as long at it gets attention.

 

[Darat]

'I was snitched on for putting up 150 British flags and lost my teaching job'

Shaun Remmer, 49, says he has been left 'devastated'

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Yup, freedom of expression is alive and well in the UK.

How is this in breach of his freedom of expression?

 

[jimbob]

Not to mention that Manchester Evening News is again not the most reliable news source.

I swear I once (about 25 years ago) saw a MEN headline, "paedophile social worker is member of the Real IRA".

It does like its feel bad headlines.

 

[smartcooky]

How is this in breach of his freedom of expression?

He expresses himself by putting up British, English Welsh and Scottish flags.
He is then punished for doing so by being fired.

This would be obvious to any willfully blind person not wearing blinkers!

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

He expresses himself by putting up British, English Welsh and Scottish flags. *by putting them up randomly on city or other people's property without asking permission*
He is then punished for doing so by being fired. *for breaking the law, which automatically disqualifies you from teaching jobs*

This would be obvious to any willfully blind person not wearing blinkers!

Admended your abridged version

 

[jimbob]

He expresses himself by putting up British, English Welsh and Scottish flags.
He is then punished for doing so by being fired.

This would be obvious to any willfully blind person not wearing blinkers!

The MEN isn't doing its reputation for accuracy any good in this article. In the headline he's a teacher. In the opening he's a supply teacher and in the body of the article, he's a teaching assistant.

Would you trust a story with a headline about an officer being censured that in the opening, describes him as an NCO and in the main body of the article describes him as "private Remmer"?

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Not to mention it is full of "he claims".

And speaking as one who spent a couple of years doing agency work, not getting continued work at a particular place is not "fired"; the only folk who could "fire" him are the agency.

Some comments BTL on the MEN piece also mention racist comments on his Facebook, which I cannot check out as I don't Facebook, so the situation could be murkier than presented.

 

[smartcooky]

He wasn't a teacher, he was a teaching assistant.

Nitpicking sophistry at its finest.

He wasn't prosecuted, he lost a job dealing with kids.

I never claimed he was prosecuted, I claimed he was fired, which he was.

Probably including kids from British Asian backgrounds.

Just like his own you mean (hint: his child is mixed race - his fiancee is Filipino, i.o.w. Asian. Oh Dear... Oops!

Regardless of any excuses, these flags are being put up to deliver a xenophobic message against British Asians and Muslims.

This is just one of those leftist "zombie facts" that gets circulated in leftist echo-chambers. Its one that has been comprehensively debunked.

He would have been unable to be perceived as impartial.

Poppycock!

It's one reason why many schools have rules about their staff indulging in overt partisan politics etc.

He had an opinion, he expressed it, and was punished for doing so, i.e textbook suppression of free speech.

Also a lot of the putting up of flags has been technically vandalism.

 

[Hercules56]

Right wing media is a favourite source for DINOs?

i am not a dinosaur.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

You are aware that the somewhat odd hangup with a flag is more a US thing than something present in the EU and the UK right?
Most of us only see the national flag during football matches, national holidays and on government buildings.

As an aside, to me at least it comes across as you are not so much advocating freedom of speech as freedom from consequences.
The government is not restricting his right to express his opinions verbally.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Yer man also said he put up the flag of Ulster (didn't say which one though, so I'm presuming he meant the Ulster or Six Counties Banner rather than the flag of the province of Ulster).

Flying that particular flag in a number of places in the UK has been a deliberate act of provocation: it is not a completely neutral act.

 

[Darat]

He expresses himself by putting up British, English Welsh and Scottish flags.

You are free to do so anywhere on your own property or on other people's property if you have permission. He has not been prevented from doing that.

He is then punished for doing so by being fired.

That is a claim he has made. We only have his word for it. (And not strictly fired as he was an agency worker.)

This would be obvious to any willfully blind person not wearing blinkers!

You don't have a right to put flags up, whether painted or material flags on other people's property. Can you tell me which country allows you to put whatever you want on other people's property? I don't think such a freedom of expression exists anywhere.

 

[Hercules56]

Yer man also said he put up the flag of Ulster (didn't say which one though, so I'm presuming he meant the Ulster or Six Counties Banner rather than the flag of the province of Ulster).

Flying that particular flag in a number of places in the UK has been a deliberate act of provocation: it is not a completely neutral act.

Flying an current official nation or regional flag should never be illegal.

You guys need to work on your Free Speech skills.

 

[Hercules56]

You are free to do so anywhere on your own property or on other people's property if you have permission. He has not been prevented from doing that.

That is a claim he has made. We only have his word for it. (And not strictly fired as he was an agency worker.)

You don't have a right to put flags up, whether painted or material flags on other people's property. Can you tell me which country allows you to put whatever you want on other people's property? I don't think such a freedom of expression exists anywhere.

This is correct, you dont have the right to hang flags on utility poles, fences that dont belong to you unless property owner or municipality specifically allows it.

 

[Darat]

Flying an current official nation or regional flag should never be illegal.

You guys need to work on your Free Speech skills.

You are allowed to put flags up on other people's property and they can't do anything about it? Don't you have property rights in the USA? Someone doing that to my property over here would be guilty of a couple of offences, the first trespassing, the second would be vandalism.

 

[Darat]

This is correct, you dont have the right to hang flags on utility poles, fences that dont belong to you unless property owner or municipality specifically allows it.

And this bloke was doing exactly that - so what is the issue with freedom of expression in regards to what he says he was doing ?