Hercules56
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We disagree on how to prevent women from being harassed, not that it should be allowed. On that we agree.
Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech
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arthwollipot
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What makes you think they didn't?
Your method would allow women to be harassed while entering abortion clinics. Ours wouldn't.
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Now there is NO WAY to harass women outside your abortion clinics? You sure about that?
arthwollipot
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It's certainly a whole lot less likely than your method.
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Anyone determined to harass women by abortion clinics can still easily do it in the UK. They simply have to be willing to accept the likely consequences.
arthwollipot
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Exactly. Thank you for agreeing with me.
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Thank you for acknowledging that it's still relatively easy to harass women by abortion clinics in UKia.
You do realise that in England the courts implement the law? It is not at all like the US.
150m. We're talking about the UK, remember.
Carrot Flower King
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Joint release - One year on from milestone Commons vote, safe access zones are still not in place | BPAS
Over many years, clinics and hospitals have been targeted by anti-abortion groups who want to dissuade or deter women from accessing legal abortion care. In the five months since the law passed, fifteen clinics which serve thousands of women have been targeted by anti-abortion groups.
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A little bit of history about the exclusion zones...
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Yep, Free Speech in UKia is on life support.
www.jpost.com
Jew arrested for antagonizing protestors by wearing the ohhh soo offensive, Star of David.
Actually, it could antagonize, not that it actually did. Which is worse.
British Jew detained in London for wearing Star of David | The Jerusalem Post
A Jewish lawyer was arrested in London for wearing a Star of David necklace, with police claiming it could “antagonize” protesters, sparking outrage and condemnation from Israeli officials.
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Jew arrested for antagonizing protestors by wearing the ohhh soo offensive, Star of David.
Actually, it could antagonize, not that it actually did. Which is worse.
You missed the following, or did you deliberateley ignore it? -Yep, Free Speech in UKia is on life support.
British Jew detained in London for wearing Star of David | The Jerusalem Post
A Jewish lawyer was arrested in London for wearing a Star of David necklace, with police claiming it could “antagonize” protesters, sparking outrage and condemnation from Israeli officials.
Jew arrested for antagonizing protestors by wearing the ohhh soo offensive, Star of David.
Actually, it could antagonize, not that it actually did. Which is worse.
"The Met denies that the arrest was due to the Star of David necklace, saying that the man was arrested after allegedly "repeatedly breaching" an order from officers to keep opposing protest groups separated, the Telegraph reported."
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Part of why he was arrested was the presence of the Star of David. Police have made that clear. The Star itself was not the criminal act, but wearing the star while trying to antagonize the protestors was part of the context for the arrest.
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Police said exactly the opposite, and the rag media you cite provides no evidence to the contrary, merely parroting reporting from The Telegraph. The Telegraph, of course, being a far right news outlet of limited credibility, frequently failing fact checks, sourcing, and openly pushing far right propaganda.
Daily Telegraph (UK) - Bias and Credibility
RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may
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Eta: the partial interview recorded does discuss how the police referred to the necklace specifically as being antagonistic to the opposing demonstrators in that specific context.
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Where? Certainly not in the article you referenced.
Thermal
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In fairness, following the links takes you to film of the actual police questioning of the suspect, where the interviewer (apparently a lawyer?) says the police mentioned the SOD necklace and said they felt it was antagonizing to the protesters he was in conflict with. They seem to say this peripherally to the actual charge, not the reason for it.
Eta: @Hercules56 , it would be helpful if you cited where the police made the claim right up front, rather than making readers scour through the links for it. Many of us don't recreationally trawl through tweets to source your claims.
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Carrot Flower King
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Police said exactly the opposite, and the rag media you cite provides no evidence to the contrary, merely parroting reporting from The Telegraph. The Telegraph, of course, being a far right news outlet of limited credibility, frequently failing fact checks, sourcing, and openly pushing far right propaganda.
Daily Telegraph (UK) - Bias and Credibility
RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may
Some of us are old enough to remember when the Telegraph was a proper newspaper. I mean, it was always somewhat Tory supporting but hadn't gone down the rabbit hole.
And then they employed Alexander Boris De Piffle Johnson to write lies about European legislation and the EU...
Thermal
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As a Murcan, I have the Telegraph mentally in the 'don't bother reading' category. I value the BBC and Guardian for their credibility, and try to use them whenever possible, despite their pretty open left lean. A leaning doesn't make their reporting unreliable, and they stand strong to fact checks and sourcing.
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Watch the police interview. They repeatedly state how the presence of the star of david could be provoking.
Thermal
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No, one pissant isolated case does not put Free Speech on life support.
No, he wasn't.
The police indicated that such a thing at such a place and time could antagonize others, and the guy was being heavily disingenuous to act like he had no idea that it would do just that.
Eta: yet it was explicitly not the reason for his arrest.
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