Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[acbytesla]

Counterpoint: Much the same thing was said when pornographers were first required to keep accurate records of the identity and age of their performers. That policy has been in place in the US for about 20 years now, and there doesn't seem to have been any major fallout due to irresponsibility on their part.

One is for thousands, the other is for millions, maybe hundreds of millions.

 

[theprestige]

One is for thousands, the other is for millions, maybe hundreds of millions.

Fair enough. And my understanding is that the performer records are generally stored offline, not on someone else's servers in the cloud.

 

[arthwollipot]

Pornhub are morally bankrupt and should be crippled financially.

This is not a statement of fact, it is a value judgement and an opinion.

 

[Poem]

FTC commissioner is a political appointee. I don't accept political rhetoric as a source of truth on any topic.

The FTC is an independent agency and insulated from presidential control.

Are the opinions of porn consumers to be trusted?

 

[Poem]

This is not a statement of fact, it is a value judgement and an opinion.

You have not presented any evidence that rebuts the FTC's.

 

[arthwollipot]

You have not presented any evidence that rebuts the FTC's.

I don't feel like I need to. Common sense and a little education rebuts it.

 

[Poem]

I don't feel like I need to. Common sense and a little education rebuts it.

Nothing then.

 

[Poem]

Evidence that Pornhub is a disgrace:
The Nicholas Kristof NYT article from 2020, the Sound Investigations undercover videos (2023), the open letter to Pornhub by 26 Attorney Generals (2023) and the FTC report (2025). Also, they show porn to kids.

 

[acbytesla]

Evidence that Pornhub is a disgrace:
The Nicholas Kristof NYT article from 2020, the Sound Investigations undercover videos (2023), the open letter to Pornhub by 26 Attorney Generals (2023) and the FTC report (2025). Also, they shown porn to kids.

This isn't evidence of anything other than moronic sleazy politicians appealing to their backwards religious constituents.

And you still haven't provided any evidence that viewing porn has damaged anyone.

 

[theprestige]

The FTC is an independent agency and insulated from presidential control.

But not insulated from political influence. How do you imagine a politician gets to be considered for the post, by the President and the Senate? It's not by promising to be an independent, apolitical, subject-matter expert.

Are the opinions of porn consumers to be trusted?

The opinions of normal people about questions of civil society and desirable social norms? It's a democracy. If you don't want to trust the opinions of people on such matters, you should probably stop letting them vote.

You have not presented any evidence that rebuts the FTC's.

I haven't seen any evidence from the FTC. All I've seen is rhetoric from the Commissioner, claiming something. Do you have a link to the Commissioner's evidence, supporting his claims?

 

[Poem]

But not insulated from political influence. How do you imagine a politician gets to be considered for the post, by the President and the Senate? It's not by promising to be an independent, apolitical, subject-matter expert.

If you want to demonstrate bias then please go ahead.

The opinions of normal people about questions of civil society and desirable social norms? It's a democracy. If you don't want to trust the opinions of people on such matters, you should probably stop letting them vote.

The opinions of porn consumers on whether porn should remain as easily available as it currently is - such opinion should be assumed to be without bias?

I haven't seen any evidence from the FTC. All I've seen is rhetoric from the Commissioner, claiming something. Do you have a link to the Commissioner's evidence, supporting his claims?

Pornhub settles charges it deceived users over child sex abuse material, US FTC says

The operators of Pornhub.com and other pornographic websites have agreed to settle charges by the Federal Trade Commission and the state of Utah that they deceived users by doing little to block videos and photos featuring child sexual abuse material and nonconsensual material, the agency said...

www.reuters.com

The operators of Pornhub.com and other pornographic websites have agreed to settle charges by the Federal Trade Commission and the state of Utah that they deceived users by doing little to block videos and photos featuring child sexual abuse material and nonconsensual material, the agency said on Wednesday.
"As part of a proposed order settling the allegations, Pornhub’s operators, Aylo and its affiliated companies (collectively Aylo), will be required to establish a program to prevent the distribution of CSAM and NCM on its websites and pay a $5 million penalty to the state of Utah," the FTC said in a statement.

 

[theprestige]

If you want to demonstrate bias then please go ahead.

He's a political appointee. Q.E.D.

The opinions of porn consumers on whether porn should remain as easily available as it currently is - such opinion should be assumed to be without bias?

I assume that they're trustworthy enough in their opinions to be allowed to vote on them. I don't think they're any more biased than the people who don't consume porn.

Pornhub settles charges it deceived users over child sex abuse material, US FTC says

The operators of Pornhub.com and other pornographic websites have agreed to settle charges by the Federal Trade Commission and the state of Utah that they deceived users by doing little to block videos and photos featuring child sexual abuse material and nonconsensual material, the agency said...

www.reuters.com

The operators of Pornhub.com and other pornographic websites have agreed to settle charges by the Federal Trade Commission and the state of Utah that they deceived users by doing little to block videos and photos featuring child sexual abuse material and nonconsensual material, the agency said on Wednesday.
"As part of a proposed order settling the allegations, Pornhub’s operators, Aylo and its affiliated companies (collectively Aylo), will be required to establish a program to prevent the distribution of CSAM and NCM on its websites and pay a $5 million penalty to the state of Utah," the FTC said in a statement.

The FTC accepted a settlement. Pornhub has met its responsibilities. The Commissioner is lying when he says they still have to pay for their transgressions.

 

[Poem]

He's a political appointee. Q.E.D.

That doesn't demonstrate bias regarding porn.

I assume that they're trustworthy enough in their opinions to be allowed to vote on them. I don't think they're any more biased than the people who don't consume porn.

Most people are consuming porn and will not be disinterested.

The FTC accepted a settlement. Pornhub has met its responsibilities. The Commissioner is lying when he says they still have to pay for their transgressions.

Demonstrate he is lying.

The commissioner stated that issues are ongoing. Given Aylo's track record and business model it is surprising you are so resistant.

Do you watch porn on Pornhub?

 

[theprestige]

That doesn't demonstrate bias regarding porn.

It demonstrates unreliability as a narrator on any topic they raise in their capacity as a political appointee.

Most people are consuming porn and will not be disinterested.

That's fine with me. I expect everyone to have an interest in the values and regulations that govern their society.

Demonstrate he is lying.

Reversing the burden of proof. It's up to him, or you as long as you act as his proxy here, to provide evidence to support his claim.

The commissioner stated that issues are ongoing.

And his evidence for this is?

Given Aylo's track record and business model it is surprising you are so resistant.

As far as I can tell, the evidence is that Aylo fixes compliance issues when they are raised, and settles matters to the FTC's satisfaction whenever they are found in violation. So that's the track record I'm aware of.

Do you watch porn on Pornhub?

Not lately, no. Why?

 

[arthwollipot]

Do you watch porn on Pornhub?

That is an extremely personal and inappropriate question, IMO.

 

[Poem]

It demonstrates unreliability as a narrator on any topic they raise in their capacity as a political appointee.

It would possibly be one factor amongst many - but you haven't demonstrated an anti-porn bias.

That's fine with me. I expect everyone to have an interest in the values and regulations that govern their society.

Disinterested as in unbiased. I think you have misunderstood me.

Reversing the burden of proof. It's up to him, or you as long as you act as his proxy here, to provide evidence to support his claim.

You'll have to clarify: The Commissioner is lying when he says they still have to pay for their transgressions.

And his evidence for this is?

Aylo is having to demonstrate compliance.

As far as I can tell, the evidence is that Aylo fixes compliance issues when they are raised,

Evidence?

and settles matters to the FTC's satisfaction whenever they are found in violation. So that's the track record I'm aware of.

You have a statement from the FTC to that effect?

Not lately, no. Why?

You have brought up integrity and bias - I'm just putting it back to you. Are those that consume porn on free tube sites like Pornhub free from bias?

 

[Poem]

That is an extremely personal and inappropriate question....

Meanwhile the porn industry continues to bare all to kids.

 

[Poem]

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[theprestige]

It would possibly be one factor amongst many - but you haven't demonstrated an anti-porn bias.

I never alleged anti-porn bias.

Disinterested as in unbiased. I think you have misunderstood me.

I don't expect people to be unbiased. I don't think lack of bias is necessary for responsible participation in civil society.

You'll have to clarify: The Commissioner is lying when he says they still have to pay for their transgressions.

Yes, that's the null hypothesis. The Commissioner says that they still have to pay for their transgressions. He gives no evidence for what those unpaid transgressions are, nor how large a payment they merit. Without that evidence, I have no reason to accept his claim. I might be more charitable, if he weren't a political appointee, talking up a problem that only his office can solve.

Aylo is having to demonstrate compliance.

Evidence?

You yourself cited reports of Aylo demonstrating compliance.

You have a statement from the FTC to that effect?

That's what a settlement is. FTC accepting it is the statement.

You have brought up integrity and bias - I'm just putting it back to you. Are those that consume porn on free tube sites like Pornhub free from bias?

This seems unnecessarily personal. And I don't care about bias per se, here. I care about the arguments being made for or against a particular policy. If all you have in favor of banning porn is your anti-porn bias, then you'll never get agreement from me. If you have some sort of rational argument that supports the conclusion that porn should be banned, maybe we can have a conversation, or even a debate.

 

[acbytesla]

Oh god! I viewed porn last night. I now have hair growing on my palms and am going blind!

Thousands of children are actually dying from guns. And it's porn we must protect them from?

Until you can demonstrate that viewing porn actually damages children, I don't care.