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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

catsmate said:
I suspect the "words can never hurt me" bollocks is part of the endemic rightist "Real Men Don't Cry" meme that is a significant part of their toxic masculinity.
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I really wish folks would not use such bigoted terms.

But of course you should have the RIGHT to say it.
 
smartcooky said:
A Falkirk councillor, who was born in Falkirk, and grew up in Falkirk, was criticized and reported to Police for saying she was "born and bred"... in Falkirk


Seriously? Saying you were born and bred somewhere is offensive now?

You know, the scariest thing about this ISN'T the fact she was criticized for it, or even that some pathetic ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ snowflake reported her to the Police - its that she called herself out for it, and apologized! :jaw-dropp

Yes folks, people in the UK are becoming so bloody brainwashed by this crap it defies belief.
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Is there any evidence that she is being investigated or whatever for using the common saying "born and bred"? That video doesn't show any evidence of that.

ETA: The newspaper I wanted to read - https://www.thenational.scot/news/25535290.scottish-reform-uk-councillor-reported-police/ as it seems to be quoting from the actual complaint is behind a paywall so the best I can find and to link to is an article in the Scottish Sun that quotes the other newspaper!

www.thescottishsun.co.uk

Scots Reform UK councillor probed by cops after 'born and bred here' comment

COPS are probing comments made by a Scottish Reform councillor who said she was “born and bred here” during an interview. Falkirk councillor Claire Mackie-Brown has been reported to Pol…
www.thescottishsun.co.uk www.thescottishsun.co.uk

This story appears to be nothing more than a member of the public has sent a letter - presumably in green ink - to various bodies, we are told of at least 2 - the police and the local authority where she is a councillor.

Should members of the public not have the right to freedom of expression and be prevented from sending letters to the police and local authorities?
 
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Sadly the ignorant bigots who think being born on a particular piece of the earth's crust is some kind of personal achievement which automatically makes them superior to, and more deserving than, people who were born somewhere else (even if the the latter have personally achieved, and are contributing, ten times as much) are now so numerous that yes, saying "I was born & bred here" can legimately - and distressingly often correctly - be interpreted to imply "and you weren't, so you have no rights and should ◊◊◊◊ off back where you came from".
 
Hercules56 said:
Ultimately a jury decides.
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Just stop talking about the US legal system in this thread. A case like this will almost certainly not go to a jury in countries (like Australia) which follow the English legal system.
 
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It was reported to the police and the police said no crime had been committed and closed the case.
Darat said:
Is there any evidence that she is being investigated or whatever for using the common saying "born and bred"? That video doesn't show any evidence of that.

ETA: The newspaper I wanted to read - https://www.thenational.scot/news/25535290.scottish-reform-uk-councillor-reported-police/ as it seems to be quoting from the actual complaint is behind a paywall so the best I can find and to link to is an article in the Scottish Sun that quotes the other newspaper!

www.thescottishsun.co.uk

Scots Reform UK councillor probed by cops after 'born and bred here' comment

COPS are probing comments made by a Scottish Reform councillor who said she was “born and bred here” during an interview. Falkirk councillor Claire Mackie-Brown has been reported to Pol…
www.thescottishsun.co.uk www.thescottishsun.co.uk

This story appears to be nothing more than a member of the public has sent a letter - presumably in green ink - to various bodies, we are told of at least 2 - the police and the local authority where she is a councillor.

Should members of the public not have the right to freedom of expression and be prevented from sending letters to the police and local authorities?
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Apparently there was a 22 page dossier of comments, but maybe that was just a really big font and it really was just that one comment, and it was in the context of violent protests against asylum seekers. But as you say, the police did their job, investigated and found there was no offence committed. The reporting is purely political.
 
catsmate said:
No. Though photography ("photographing a person accessing services" within a Safe Access Zone) is prohibited in Ireland as the nutters tried to use such tactics to intimidate. I believe it may be in the UK.
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As far as I know, it isn't, as there is no right to privacy in public areas. With a few exceptions, like photographing police officers at work.
 

Taking this off moderated status

Keep to the topic, which as usual is not the other posters

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jimbob
 
P.J. Denyer said:
It was reported to the police and the police said no crime had been committed and closed the case.


Apparently there was a 22 page dossier of comments, but maybe that was just a really big font and it really was just that one comment, and it was in the context of violent protests against asylum seekers. But as you say, the police did their job, investigated and found there was no offence committed. The reporting is purely political.
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I rapidly found links to several Scottish media sources which had more detail than we were given, including about her lengthy involvement in various iffy protests, more detail about what was being complained about (not just "born and bred" or any similar racist dog whistles) and, as you say, that no action was taken.

But I was curious about what the context and detail might be...
 
Carrot Flower King said:
"born and bred" or any similar racist dog whistles...
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:dl:

smartcooky said:
You know, the scariest thing about this ISN'T the fact she was criticized for it, or even that some pathetic ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ snowflake reported her to the Police - its that she called herself out for it, and apologized! :jaw-dropp
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.... and even worse? Others actually justifying it!
 
Darat said:
You do now know this was just an anonymous person sending a letter to different organisations?
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Irrelevant.. saying you were "born and bred" somewhere should not even be considered offensive.. anyone offended by it is a certified snowflake.
And I find it frightening that a person can anonymously report you. This happens a lot in the UK... Recenty, there was an American woman, resident in the UK, visited by the police and asked about something offensive he is alleged to have said on social media... the report was anonymous, and the police refused to even tell her what it was she is alleged to have said. If you are not prepared to put your name to a complaint then don't make it. Anonymous reporting of people for hurty words on social media should simply be dismissed out of hand.
 
smartcooky said:
Irrelevant.. saying you were "born and bred" somewhere should not even be considered offensive.. anyone offended by it is a certified snowflake.
And I find it frightening that a person can anonymously report you. This happens a lot in the UK... Recenty, there was an American woman, resident in the UK, visited by the police and asked about something offensive he is alleged to have said on social media... the report was anonymous, and the police refused to even tell her what it was she is alleged to have said. If you are not prepared to put your name to a complaint then don't make it. Anonymous reporting of people for hurty words on social media should simply be dismissed out of hand.
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WTF is going on in the UK??
 
Hercules56 said:
Why?
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Um, because they're different countries?

P.J. Denyer said:
It was reported to the police and the police said no crime had been committed and closed the case.


Apparently there was a 22 page dossier of comments, but maybe that was just a really big font and it really was just that one comment, and it was in the context of violent protests against asylum seekers. But as you say, the police did their job, investigated and found there was no offence committed. The reporting is purely political.
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There you go. The idea that...

smartcooky said:
A Falkirk councillor, who was born in Falkirk, and grew up in Falkirk, was criticized and reported to Police for saying she was "born and bred"... in Falkirk
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... is false and a lie. That isn't what happened. Case closed.

smartcooky said:
Seriously? Saying you were born and bred somewhere is offensive now?
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...And apparently not. No. Saying that you were born and bred somewhere isn't offensive.

Hercules56 said:
I really wish folks would not use such bigoted terms.

But of course you should have the RIGHT to say it.
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Why? Because you are an exemplar of it?
 
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