General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

For the record, the US already maintains troops as part of the MFO in Sinai.

For the record, Israel is going to deport a phalanx of the soon-to-be released Palestinians.
We don't know what the million or so refugees crammed into Gaza's south will end up doing.
Their fate is an open question. Egypt is being told that the opening of Rafah crossing for people to freely transit in both directions is a sine quo non of this agreement.

For the record, the flag of Israel is a show of support for all Israelis.
I doubt there's a single synagogue in America that doesn't proudly display the Magen David flag.

For the record, Bibi is gaining in the polls, and he may call early elections to consolidate his government (Yesh Atid is now polling below the entry threshold and may be eliminated from any representation in Knesset).

Hercules56, what's with the skull & tentacles? You realize it's a symbol offered by Marvel Comics, as they used Hydra as an analog of the Nazis in Germany during World War II?
What is YOUR intention of using it as an avatar here?
 
I just saw on TV a Hamas ladder say, in English, that Hamas will not surrender their weapons and that the ceasefire will not last. What say you supporters of peace loving Palestine?

Seriously, who precisely will force Hamas to meet the requirements of the peace plan? This one will very soon go the way of the previous plans. Nowhere. Because Hamas has no intention of seeking peace.
 
The more relevant question is: who is going to be the arbiter on whether either side has fulfilled their part of the deal?
 
In the Islamic jihadists wrong-headed violent pursuits of the Liberation of Palestine, we are treated instead to HAMAS disintegrating before our very eyes.

"HAMAS has been defeated..." -- IDF spokesperson

TGZ, the answer to your "relevant question" would appear to be very obvious ---- the 'Board of Peace' is the defining apparatus for aligning everyones' interests in Gaza.

www.politico.eu

Europeans to press for seat on Trump’s Gaza ‘Board of Peace’

Membership of the peace board is expected to be discussed in Paris Thursday.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
 
Watters: Because of Trump, thousands of Palestinians are now free in Gaza…. I haven’t seen a parade. We still have not seen a single tweet from Rashida Tlaib and that she is Palestinian.

All of these people have lost their credibility. Seems like they were never on the side of the Palestinia
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1976802711665623504
 
Andy_Ross, there's one thing that I find most vital in this current period of Waiting for Gadot:

Palestinians are simply without decent leadership.
Not a single individual has stepped up and given any indication their society is prepared for pursuing peace with Israel. I cannot name anyone within Gaza, nor across the hills & valleys of Judea/Samaria, who has expressed their interest in being the next President of Palestine. (well, there's Rawhi Fattouh, a Fatah party functionary, but really, is that the best they've got?)

It's a tough job, and now the Palestinians have tough decisions to make, so hopefully their politics will undergo an appropriate sea-change without HAMAS as the guiding force.

That is the overall program, now let's see it become implemented.
 
webfusion said:
Andy_Ross, there's one thing that I find most vital in this current period of Waiting for Gadot:

Palestinians are simply without decent leadership.
Not a single individual has stepped up and given any indication their society is prepared for pursuing peace with Israel. I cannot name anyone within Gaza, nor across the hills & valleys of Judea/Samaria, who has expressed their interest in being the next President of Palestine. (well, there's Rawhi Fattouh, a Fatah party functionary, but really, is that the best they've got?)

It's a tough job, and now the Palestinians have tough decisions to make, so hopefully their politics will undergo an appropriate sea-change without HAMAS as the guiding force.

That is the overall program, now let's see it become implemented.
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And Israeli leadership is openly national socialist. Frankly I'd be better off (as you would) under Hamas than under Netenyahu.
 
arthwollipot said:
Okay. No, I don't care about your reasons or your excuses.
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You asked. You knew my answer would be based on the premises that Hamas is engaging in an immoral war of aggression, that Israel is justified in seeking their destruction by force, that Hamas is not justified in resisting their own destruction, certainly not by embedding themselves in a civilian population so that they can continue their immoral war without substantial consequences to them, and that Hamas is therefore to blame for any civilian deaths arising from them receiving the consequences they deserve for continuing their immoral war.

You knew all this, because we've been over it many times already. But you asked anyway. Why?

arthwollipot said:
Once someone starts saying that the deaths of more than 18,000 children is justified, they are a monster. A depraved, sick excuse for a human being who should be ashamed of themself. If the lives of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ children matters so little that slaughtering them in their thousands is justified, then I just don't know how to relate to a person who believes that. If anything - anything in this world - can be considered objectively evil, then this is it.
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We agree that there's evil here. We just don't agree on who the real monsters are. I wish you'd come up with this kind of impassioned rhetoric against evil back when Hamas was launching rockets into Israel every night, or when they carried out the horrifically monstrous 10/7 attack. Maybe if more of the world spoke up the way you're speaking up now, back when Hamas was ascendant, they wouldn't have put Gaza in the situation it is right now.

But no. Somehow the world only finds its voice, only speaks out in full-throated condemnation, in the language of absolute and draconian moral judgement, when Israel responds to horrific immoral aggression. And then the world speaks out this way against the Israeli response. The Hamas provocation never gets this kind of treatment, from you or anyone else.
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Jesus mother ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ, it is unbelievable that someone - a thinking, apparently rational human being - might actually believe such a ghastly and horrible thing. I have no more words.
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Maybe try finding some words for Hamas, in your otherwise bottomless well of outrage.
 
I consider it deeply antisemitic to claim that Israel had no choice but to kill tens of thousands of children, because Hamas made them do it.
 
Gaza needs policing, especially in this great time of need - who is supposed to do it until the International Force is established and deployed?
Some gangs armed by Israel, or the last legitimately elected organization?
 
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