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Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

The rhetoric that Trump has used to rile people up about immigration, as well as about media, is clearly very similar to, and somtimes exactly the same (poison the blood, fake press etc) as, the rhetoric of the nazis, while the actions of the republicans thus far more closely resembles fascism.
 
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SECRET Charlie Kirk Texts Change ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING! (Secular Talk on YouTube, Oct 8, 2025 - 11:34 min.)

I don't think that the no-longer secret texts change "absolutely everything" at all (and using all caps certainly doesn't help), but these group-chat posts from Charlie Kirk are interesting. They appear to be real, confirmed by Turning Point USA (Newsweek, Oct 8, 2025) - not necessarily a reliable source, but still ...
Just lost another huge Jewish donor. $2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker
I'm thinking of inviting Candace
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Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this.
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Leaving me no cause but to leave the pro Israel cause
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It¨s interesting that he thinks that not being paid = bullying.
(And why describe them as Jewish donors instead of pro-Israel donors, which seems to be the point?)

From the Newsweek article:
Kolvet said Kirk's feelings about Israel were "complicated and nuanced" and he wanted the war in Gaza to end.
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Yeah, I guess standing up for the people who pay you is very complicated and nuanced.
What an outstanding and dedicated believer in truth and honest debate that guy was! 🤮
 
a_unique_person said:
Speak for yourself. I think of the rise of Nazism because that is what we need to study and prevent. By the time they assume total power it's already too late.
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i agree, i think the death camps are the conclusion of nazism. in any case, i think the similarities between historic nazis and the maga movement are so numerous that you couldn't really be offended by an imperfect comparison more than their actual conduct. so i reject the idea that it's inflammatory rhetoric that's behind the anger towards the leaders of maga in favor of their actual conduct is what's causing it.

besides that, nazi is a bit of a casual term and has been for decades. i can't recall anyone insisting we call people grammar fascists for example.
 
johnny karate said:
Historical inaccuracies about the atrocities that fascists committed aside, the ask was for you to explain why calling someone a fascist isn’t inflammatory at all, not why it’s less inflammatory than calling someone a Nazi.
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maga is upset about both labels

Both pages predated Kirk's assassination, which MAGA activists argue was incited by the left's use of charged labels such as "fascist" and "Nazi." The ADL and SPLC both condemned the assassination.

  • Amid the backlash, the ADL removed its "Glossary of Extremism," saying some of the entries were outdated and were being "intentionally misrepresented and misused."
  • The SPLC kept its page posted, telling Axios: "We remain committed to exposing hate and extremism as we work to equip communities with knowledge and defend the rights and safety of marginalized people."
What they're saying: MAGA influencers have accused the groups of embodying the type of hate they were founded to combat.

  • "They are both part of an ecosystem leveraged by radical left vigilantes to dehumanize conservatives and stoke political violence. They provide the sheen of legitimacy for the left's violent foot soldiers," posted Kirk spokesman Andrew Kolvet.
  • Musk, who previously blamed the ADL for advertisers fleeing X over anti-semitic content, called both organizations "evil" and guilty of inciting Kirk's slaying.
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Tucker Carlson has been critical of Israel for many years. According to this article in TRTWorld,
Carlson, on his self-titled programme on September 17, said Kirk had often expressed negative views about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “He did not like Bibi Netanyahu and he said that to me many times and he said to people around him many times. He felt that Bibi Netanyahu was a very destructive force,” Carlson said on his show.
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So Charlie Kirk didn't change his stance just because 'Jewish' donors didn't want him to have Tucker on his show. He was actually critical of their influence long before then, but more for "supporting institutions that breed anti-Semites and endorse genocidal killers" and "controlling the colleges, the nonprofits, the movies, Hollywood, all of it". That's why he posted "Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes".

Which shows that he was indeed "complicated and nuanced", despite the characterizations of him from both the left and right.

But here's where it gets interesting. Charlie Kirk apparently confided the day before his death that "I think they are going to kill me". Combine this with questions over the wound in his neck, decoys in the crowd, and the FBI's claim that the shooter changed clothes three times and disassembled and reassembled the rifle twice, and you have all the ingredients of a conspiracy theory. People are comparing it to JFK. All we need now is for Tyler Robinson to claim he was a patsy and it's all on.

Who had motive to kill Charlie Kirk? Netanyahu did - because Charlie had a big influence with young republicans, who are already starting to turn against Israel. Democrats turned a while ago so if Bibi loses Republicans it's goodbye to US military aid. Netanyahu has stated this publically so we all know he knows the stakes. Israel has a long history of assassinating people they consider to be their enemies, using methods that include car bombs and drive-by shootings, so it wouldn't be surprising if they had decided to silence Charlie before he turned opinion against them.

Of course this isn't what happened. As usual it was just an individual whose motives related to their personal life and frame of mind. When Charlie said 'they' he probably meant liberal extremists. Of did he? Either way it doesn't matter, because he didn't have any evidence of who 'they' were.
 
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speaking of that, i see israeli intelligence agencies blamed for a lot of stuff. they do have a long, sordid history and have done some horrible things, and continue to do so. but how much of that is simple anti-semetism? and how much of that is israel's constant efforts to combine their religion and ethnicity to their government to deflect criticism? all of it is happening. you both can and can't blame the jews.
 
dirtywick said:
speaking of that, i see israeli intelligence agencies blamed for a lot of stuff. they do have a long, sordid history and have done some horrible things, and continue to do so. but how much of that is simple anti-semetism? and how much of that is israel's constant efforts to combine their religion and ethnicity to their government to deflect criticism? all of it is happening. you both can and can't blame the jews.
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Yeah, I remember when they were blamed for Robert Maxwell's late night swim.

So I guess they aren't all bad..
 
dirtywick said:
speaking of that, i see israeli intelligence agencies blamed for a lot of stuff. they do have a long, sordid history and have done some horrible things, and continue to do so. but how much of that is simple anti-semetism? and how much of that is israel's constant efforts to combine their religion and ethnicity to their government to deflect criticism? all of it is happening. you both can and can't blame the jews.
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I have definitely noticed that there's a fine, fine line between antisemitism and being critical of Israel. I stay out of it as much as possible, but during this whole war I've seen even simple criticisms turn into page long feuds about someone being antisemitic.
 
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I have definitely noticed that there's a fine, fine line between antisemitism and being critical of Israel. I stay out of it as much as possible, but during this whole war I've seen even simple criticisms turn into page long feuds about someone being antisemitic.
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yeah me too. i have a few topics i follow closely and many that i don’t, that’s one of the latter. but once in a while the two cross paths
 
Tells you everything when for "propaganda to incite hatred against your political opposition" all that is necessary to accurately repeat what Kirk said and did.

Republicans should let him have the dignity to not lie about him so much, to not just use his corpse like a puppet for their pet hobbyhorses.
 
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johnny karate said:
Speaking of how it's mean and unfair to call Republicans Nazis, here's the leader of the Republican Party and President of the United States hanging out with a bunch of freaks at the White House, one of whom is about as close to a Nazi as you can get without wearing an SS uniform.

My concern is that in pointing out these facts, I might have inspired someone to do a political violence.

So I urge the eight people who will read this post: Please do not do a political violence.
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I pinky swear that I will not.
 
johnny karate said:
Speaking of how it's mean and unfair to call Republicans Nazis, here's the leader of the Republican Party and President of the United States hanging out with a bunch of freaks at the White House, one of whom is about as close to a Nazi as you can get without wearing an SS uniform.
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I made a comment recently to a right-winger that if the GOP\Right Wing were so anti-nazi, how come the flags only show up at right wing rallies? Why are they only being held by people on the right? I never see a nazi flag at a BLM rally, or a protest of ICE. It's only at Unite the Right style ◊◊◊◊.
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My concern is that in pointing out these facts, I might have inspired someone to do a political violence.

So I urge the eight people who will read this post: Please do not do a political violence.
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P.J. Denyer said:
I pinky swear that I will not.
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Best I can do is try...Just kidding, before I get in trouble for it. I've lived in one of the reddest states my entire life, and haven't "violenced" anyone yet. Not over politics anyway.
 
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