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Trump's Second Term

Repeatedly our local Trump supporters / 'I dont support him, but the Democrats are equally bad' posters have claimed things like:
"He can't do that, because judges will stop him'.
A judge ruled that your National Guard cannot be sent to Portland.
Trump has sent the National Guard to Portland.

And nothing magical happened to stop him from breaking that ruling.

When will you see that rule of law in your country is merely a suggestion to MAGA unless they agree with the ruling?
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Repeatedly our local Trump supporters / 'I dont support him, but the Democrats are equally bad' posters have claimed things like:
"He can't do that, because judges will stop him'.
A judge ruled that your National Guard cannot be sent to Portland.
Trump has sent the National Guard to Portland.

And nothing magical happened to stop him from breaking that ruling.

When will you see that rule of law in your country is merely a suggestion to MAGA unless they agree with the ruling?
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They've probably seen that a long time ago. For a lot of them, this is what they want. They'll deny that Dump is authoritarian for as long as they can, until they can't anymore. Then they come out as die-hard supporters.
 
I used to think of Monica Crowley as a generally rational repeater of Bush Administration (I and II) talking points on the Sunday news shows. Depressing to see this cult thriving and growing.
 
arthwollipot said:
And yet, when Republican say that Democrats celebrated Charlie Kirk's death, everyone was so quick to say "I wasn't celebrating!"
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I think most people were horrified by Kirk's shooting (also, I think most of us, especially in Europe, had never heard the name before we heard he was shot). What was there to celebrate? Dump's passing, though? I'll be overjoyed. Just have to decide where to go out and eat.
 
theprestige said:
Progressives: "Businesses should submit to the government!"

Also Progressives: "Damn these weak businesses that can't push the government around whenever they want!"
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I don't think the businesses should "push the government around" or "submit to the government".

But this is not even submitting to the government. This is Trump abusing his power in government to nakedly extort companies.

Just as Putin or Castro or Louis XIV see no distinction between themselves and the state, so too does Trump essentially think all levers of the state are for his own benefit, and he's upset that businesses in his domain have the temerity to act in defiance of him.

You are fine with that, I guess.
 
Andy_Ross said:
SECRETARY HEGSETH on the government shutdown: "We're dealing with a Chuck Schumer special right now. This is the vanity of one man who doesn't want to look weak to his base."

"It's unfortunate that the Democrats are pushing politics into something when all we want to do is defend the nation and we're going to keep doing it."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974858479023128933
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I have to say that this is grossly unfair to Chuck Schumer, he has proudly shown how weak he is to not only his base, but to everyone else as well, for a long time now.
 
arthwollipot said:
And yet, when Republican say that Democrats celebrated Charlie Kirk's death, everyone was so quick to say "I wasn't celebrating!"
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Context matters.

First of all, when people talk about "not celebrating Kirk's death", it probably has something to do with the fact he died as a result of a violent act (something that people in the left are much less willing to push for than those in the right.) on the other hand, when Trump dies the assumption will be that he dies of "natural " causes (or at least as natural as a cheez-burger induced heart attack is.)

Secondly, Kirk was a pretty minor figure. Yes he was a Trump supporter and probably played a roll in getting Trump to "connect" with younger voters, but he had no power in the day to day running of the government and many left wingers may not even know who he was. Trump on the other hand is front and center, making decisions that are pushing the US into dictatorship and economic ruin.
 
arthwollipot said:
What did she say to incite that violence?
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Goodstein, notably, went against the Donald Trump administration very recently, in September. She was part of the controversial case of whether a voter's personal information in South Carolina could be handed over to the government. The order she passed in the matter was eventually overturned by the Supreme Court with the top court's verdict criticizing her.
 
Andy_Ross said:
American values and traditions?
Fast food and obesity?
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Well, "traditions" clearly means the familiar, old-fashioned way things used to be. With good things, like laws, and the constitution and suchlike. In normal times. Before the tyranny.

These radical leftist illegal antifa Steak n Shake traitors can expect the ICE raids to begin at any moment.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
I think most people were horrified by Kirk's shooting (also, I think most of us, especially in Europe, had never heard the name before we heard he was shot). What was there to celebrate? Dump's passing, though? I'll be overjoyed. Just have to decide where to go out and eat.
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Personally? I wasn't horrified by Kirk's shooting. I also didn't celebrate when he died. The POS had a karmic ending that he very much earned? There is a level of satisfaction in that part of this, but ultimately, he didn't matter to me in the first place. The harm he caused didn't directly affect me.

Trump? Trump has the blood of incredible numbers of people on his hands, American and otherwise on top of all the numerous other other harms he's had a hand in over the years that have more directly affected us all. There's far more cause to care and celebrate.


angrysoba said:
I don't think the businesses should "push the government around" or "submit to the government".

But this is not even submitting to the government. This is Trump abusing his power in government to nakedly extort companies.

Just as Putin or Castro or Louis XIV see no distinction between themselves and the state, so too does Trump essentially think all levers of the state are for his own benefit, and he's upset that businesses in his domain have the temerity to act in defiance of him.

You are fine with that, I guess.
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There's something to be said about how even paying taxes and abiding by laws is submitting to the government. There's also something to be said about how the ability to defend your rights in court when the government overreaches is part of the social contract that's been established as part of that submission in a country governed by rule of law.

More could be said about that, especially about the push the government around part, but the formulation of submitting to and pushing around the government may be technically defensible separately, but it's unreasonable and downright stupid to use as it was. Not least because it amounts to right wing projection.
 
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