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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

Darat said:
That does happen in real life, there is plenty of body-camera footage of USA police doing that. I presume it's because there are so many small police forces that don't have crime scene investigators/forensic staff?
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Lack of training and enforced standards.
 
Hercules56 said:
You CANNOT be serious.

Hate speech and dehumanizing speech does not in ANY way violate any of the articles of the UDHR.

Seriously, folks need to grow up, grow thicker skin, and learn not to be hurt soo easily.

Criminalizing hurtful and offensive speech is Authoritarianism.

There is NO human right to not be hurt and offended just by words.

Otherwise we will become a world of cowardly, spineless, shivering snowflakes. Unable to function at the first hurtful word, damaging our delicate feewings.
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That is your culturally programmed opinion.
 
Darat said:
Should people be allowed to campaign for me to be killed simply because I exist?
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No, someone should not be allowed to walk around with a sign literally saying "murder Darat now!!!".

Thats a direct threat of violence and should not be tolerated. But that's not what we're talking about.
 
catsmate said:
That is your culturally programmed opinion.
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No, its my view based on our higher sense of respect for Freedom of Speech. YOUR society very clearly thinks that my Freedom of Speech ends where your feelings begin.

Ridiculous.
 
catsmate said:
Maybe you should look at your society. And stop spewing straw.
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We are more violent, yes.

But we also clearly respect Freedom of Speech more than you lot.

.....except for Trumpfuhrer of course. He'd fit in very well with your "Rights until my feelings" philosophy.
 
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smartcooky said:
That's a direct threat of violence against you... so it should not be permitted as free speech - pretty sure @Hercules56 would agree.
What you did there was studiously avoid the point he was making, by using a strawman.
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Thank you. Good to see someone understands what Im trying to say and that the American Liberal understanding of Free Speech is not insane, but a very principled perspective.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, there is NOT. Its always hate speech. Not sure what you would accomplish by denying this.

But I'll take your bait. Give us some examples where such hateful bigoted speech, is not hate speech.
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You will never get them to give you any examples of hate speech they think should be banned that are more than just teasing but don't contain incitement to violence. Such examples do not exist - they know this. That's why they continue to accuse you of lacking comprehension, context and understanding. They call you stupid, MAGA, bigot, tone-deaf etc it's all a dodge to deflect from the fact they cannot support their assertions with evidence.
Every accusation is an admission.
 
Darat said:
You don’t seem to know what a strawman is.
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Do you believe that hate speech that makes no reference to any violence, should face prison, fine, community service or some other sort of government enforced sanctions?
 
Hercules56 said:
No, someone should not be allowed to walk around with a sign literally saying "murder Darat now!!!".

Thats a direct threat of violence and should not be tolerated. But that's not what we're talking about.
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I asked about campaigning which is not just walking around holding a sign. Should someone be allowed to campaign for a policy to legally put to death mentally ill people?
 
Hercules56 said:
Do you believe that hate speech that makes no reference to any violence, should face prison, fine, community service or some other sort of government enforced sanctions?
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I don’t believe someone should be able to campaign to make it legal to put mentally ill people to the death, there is no reference to any violence in that, does that mean you are fine people campaigning for that?
 
Darat said:
I don’t believe someone should be able to campaign to make it legal to put mentally ill people to the death, there is no reference to any violence in that, does that mean you are fine people campaigning for that?
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Putting people to death, is violence.

Killing people, is violence.

Crazy I have to explain that to you.
 
smartcooky said:
You will never get them to give you any examples of hate speech they think should be banned that are more than just teasing but don't contain incitement to violence. Such examples do not exist - they know this. That's why they continue to accuse you of lacking comprehension, context and understanding. They call you stupid, MAGA, bigot, tone-deaf etc it's all a dodge to deflect from the fact they cannot support their assertions with evidence.
Every accusation is an admission.
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Everything written by the Nazis in the 1920s and 1930s until kristallnacht. After that the pretense was dropped.
And the fact that MAGA, Reform, Musk and their ilk write similar articles with the word 'Jew' replaced by 'Transsexual' 'Liberal' 'antifa' or similar should worry you too. Those with the 'I disagree with you, but will defend your right to be antisemitic' attitude vanished behind bars very quickly once the Nazi's came to power.
 
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