Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

[a_unique_person]

And we all know why you aren't bringing up the left.

You actually believe this, don't you? But it's not true.

Every single Republican president since Eisenhower has been called Hitler.

And the left routinely calls him evil and vilifies Trump as much as possible. Examples in this forum abound. But more than that, leftists actually tried to kill him, twice.

Are you OK with that? Not just the name calling, but the actual attempted assassination?

You forget the actual assassinations of Democrats.

 

[johnny karate]

Let's be clear... it's the result of democrats and dem supporters and progressive activists and several posters on ISF calling certain republicans and all republicans in general and conservatives as a whole and sometimes people who are neutral fascists while ignoring the rhetoric from the left.

Republicans and anyone who carries water for them with bad faith arguments are fascists.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I have to ask. Do you honestly believe this? Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that the majority of violent rhetoric is coming from the left side of the political spectrum?

I believe that the majority of violent rhetoric is coming from millions of advocates and supporters and gormless youth on the left side of the political spectrum.

 

[Emily's Cat]

A. Senator Jim should be killed because I don't like him.
B. Senator Jim should be killed for the crimes he committed (but he didn't really commit them, I just made that up because I don't like him).

Anyone who thinks there's an important distinction between A and B is a fool. Please don't fall for it.

Where does
C. Senator Jim should be killed for the crimes that I think he is going to commit in the future but hasn't yet but some other person said they're going to commit them at some point in time because it's a hinted message in what he says
Fit into your comparison?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Nope, but it's also not ok to use blanket statements to vilify one party over another (or anyone who disagrees with them) like the fat clown does every single freakin' day.

Anyone who does that, regardless of party, is evil.

Apparently ISF has a solid handful of evil posters.

 

[stanfr]

believe that the majority of violent rhetoric is coming from millions of advocates and supporters and gormless youth on the left side of the political spectrum.

Please clarify? advocates *of* youth? or for something else? There's millions them apparently so they must be supporting something. And I guess the gun adoring right and their youth have been left out of this, they must feel abandoned...

It's Do Not --> donot --> don*t. The apostrophe goes where the contraction occurs, it is a placeholder for missing letters that are more or less diphthonged out.

I did not know it meant 'do not'--I always assumed it was a shortened form of 'donut'--as in:
"Don't eat that" --meaning I will eat the donut. or
"Don't be afraid" --as in, be afraid, donut, cause I'm gonna eat you!

 

[Emily's Cat]

The study that was deleted by DOJ. You have obviously had your eyes closed, since the first half of this year os the first time left wing political violence has outpaced right wing in 30 years.

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/28/left-wing-terrorism-far-right-violence-research

I wish I could figure out how to show the graph that goes with that. It's showing data through July - half the year. For comparison, all prior years shown back to 95ish have right wing violence at about 5X more than left wing. This year is the first year in a very long time that it's going to opposite direction: 5 instances of left wing violence versus 1 instance of right wing.

For the past few years, I've repeatedly argued that the sort of rhetoric and emotional framing being used by supporters and advocates and posters online will result in left-wing violence if Trump were to win in 2024. Gee, who could possibly have extrapolated that easily-foreseeable potential outcome?

 

[Emily's Cat]

It had nothing to do with how and why he wanted to send Biden to prison or the death chamber. It was about stirring up and inflaming irrational people with little regard for the consequences of his actions. He knows full well that he may whip someone into a frenzy by making them think that Joe Biden has somehow escaped accountability and will take vigilante action and he simply doesn't care or even relishes the idea.

Like... Trump and MAGA is an existential threat to democracy, they're fascists and people might need to be prepared to take action to prevent them from turning the US into a dictatorship?

 

[Emily's Cat]

What I think he wanted to do was inflame his listeners and couch his violent urges in kinder language. His listeners skip right over the idea of a trial and proceed immediately to punishment.

Is that what Kirk's listeners do... or is that what you assumed because that was your first thought on hearing it?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Personally, I think he was self-righteous prick.

Well, duh. I don't think any of us disagree with that assessment.

 

[AmyStrange]

I wish I could figure out how to show the graph that goes with that. It's showing data through July - half the year. For comparison, all prior years shown back to 95ish have right wing violence at about 5X more than left wing. This year is the first year in a very long time that it's going to opposite direction: 5 instances of left wing violence versus 1 instance of right wing.

For the past few years, I've repeatedly argued that the sort of rhetoric and emotional framing being used by supporters and advocates and posters online will result in left-wing violence if Trump were to win in 2024. Gee, who could possibly have extrapolated that easily-foreseeable potential outcome?

Do you mean this graph?

Or this one?

I'm still trying to figure out what the left-wing violence was for this year in the first graph.

Anyone?

 

[johnny karate]

I wish I could figure out how to show the graph that goes with that. It's showing data through July - half the year. For comparison, all prior years shown back to 95ish have right wing violence at about 5X more than left wing. This year is the first year in a very long time that it's going to opposite direction: 5 instances of left wing violence versus 1 instance of right wing.

For the past few years, I've repeatedly argued that the sort of rhetoric and emotional framing being used by supporters and advocates and posters online will result in left-wing violence if Trump were to win in 2024. Gee, who could possibly have extrapolated that easily-foreseeable potential outcome?

Let me explain to you how this chart that shows the right is overwhelmingly responsible for political violence supports my argument that the left is the problem.

 

[Emily's Cat]

What if they're deported to a country that might get them killed or maybe even executed?

Kind of depends on the reason they might be executed. Like... if they're a violent criminal and the country they're deported to executes violent criminals I'm not too wound up about it. On the other hand, if the country they're being deported to executes them for their color or their religion or their beliefs, I've definitely got a problem with that. It all rather depends what country we're talking about, doesn't it?

 

[stanfr]

Like... Trump and MAGA is an existential threat to democracy, they're fascists and people might need to be prepared to take action to prevent them from turning the US into a dictatorship?

Meanwhile, Trump is directing government tax-funded agencies to post illegal headlines blaming 'radical left democrats' for the shutdown, and his press secretary is saying federal troops are being sent to a state to squash the leftist invaders. Yeah, nothing to see here, move along....

 

[Emily's Cat]

Or, having failed to win an election, maybe you could just storm the Congress, stop the vote, replace the slate of electors with your own, make a mockery of the democratic system and Romanov the Biden administration in a cellar…. After a “proper trial” of course.

You remember January 6th? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Okay... except the emphasized bit didn't happen. You're arguing for retaliation against something that is a might have been that never was.

 

[stanfr]

Okay... except the emphasized bit didn't happen. You're arguing for retaliation against something that is a might have been that never was.

So you think attempted murderers should get off? Cause you know, there are many attempted murderers in jail right now who are serving longer sentences than the ones who succeeded.

 

[AmyStrange]

Kind of depends on the reason they might be executed. Like... if they're a violent criminal and the country they're deported to executes violent criminals I'm not too wound up about it. On the other hand, if the country they're being deported to executes them for their color or their religion or their beliefs, I've definitely got a problem with that. It all rather depends what country we're talking about, doesn't it?

I do, because the fat clown isn't just deporting criminals, but woman and children to places like Haiti which more or less has a kind of civil war going on right now.

 

[Emily's Cat]

i don't know what your point is really. so i'll just ask directly, does a person who works towards creating a politically violent environment have any responsibility when political violence occurs?

YES THEY DO

And that includes the many thousands of democrat supporters, activists, and social media mouthpieces that have spend nearly a decade declaring Trump and ALL Republicans and virtually all conservatives to be fascist nazis who are going to put people in concentration camps and start lynching gay and black people and we all need to be fight back against their tyranny.

 

[johnny karate]

Do you mean this graph?

Or this one?

I'm still trying to figure out what the left-wing violence was for this year in the first graph.

Anyone?

I found this by following the link below the first graph:

For example, on January 28, 2025, U.S. Capitol Police arrested Riley Jane English, a 24-year-old from Massachusetts, on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., after she approached officers and revealed she was carrying a folding knife, two Molotov cocktails, and a lighter. According to prosecutors, English said she intended to kill senior U.S. officials, initially identifying Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, whom she described as a “Nazi,” before shifting her focus to House Speaker Mike Johnson and then to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. She also expressed a desire to attack the conservative Heritage Foundation.

In a separate incident on March 30, 2025, an assailant set fire to the headquarters of the Republican Party of New Mexico in Albuquerque, igniting the entrance late at night. Graffiti reading “ICE = KKK” was spray-painted on a wall near the site.

It's just below a chart that shows the right is responsible for almost double the attacks than all other categories combined and have a casualty rate nine times higher than the left.

Deeply humiliating for people defending the right to post that chart and think it in any way supports their argument.

 

[stanfr]

And that includes the many thousands of democrat supporters, activists, and social media mouthpieces that have spend nearly a decade declaring Trump and ALL Republicans and virtually all conservatives to be fascist nazis who are going to put people in concentration camps and start lynching gay and black people and we all need to be fight back against their tyranny.

Thousands? I thought it was millions... Make up your mind Emily, you seem confused.