Ziggurat
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How dare they. You're only supposed to protect dolls, not girls.
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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theprestige
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I wonder what percentage of transvestites want access to women's spaces whether women like it or not.
I'm increasingly confident that the men who want this are exactly the men who should not be trusted with it.
theprestige
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Also, transvestites? I feel like Satan, in Constantine. "I do miss the old names."
Seems like we're on the cusp of a great recoiling.
Seems like we're on the cusp of a great recoiling.
Rolfe
Adult human female
I see "Barbie Kardashian" has been released from jail. He was in solitary confinement there because of the danger he posed to the women in the prison he was held in, but they've just turned him loose on the streets of Limerick. He's already giving out the list of people he intends to murder, I understand, starting with his own mother.
And according to the law in Ireland, he is absolutely permitted in any and all female single-sex facilities, and to attempt to exclude him would be a crime.
And according to the law in Ireland, he is absolutely permitted in any and all female single-sex facilities, and to attempt to exclude him would be a crime.
I didn’t know that. Thanks. This piece of ◊◊◊◊ was also a racist One Nation Senator.
smartcooky
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Some how, him being one of Pauline "Pump Jet" Hanson's offsiders doesn't really surprise me at all!
Matthew Best
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There's a response from "Barbie" at the bottom of that Tweet incidentally.
Rolfe
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Crikey, so there is.
Here's a snippet of an interview with him. (The full thing seems to be pay walled.)
And a longer article.
'No regrets': Alarm as Barbie Kardashian released - Gript
'Homicidal girl', Barbie Kardashian, has been freed from prison after serving his sentence for threatening to rape, torture and kill his mother.
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Rolfe
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There's another employment tribunal ongoing at the moment where a woman is trying to get her employer to provide single sex toilets. As usual, there were single sex toilets until a few years ago, but then a handful of men were told they could use the women's toilets without the women being consulted or even informed.
Women felt unable to protest for fear of being put on a "naughty list", and a variety of subterfuges and coping strategies (involving "secret squirrel toilets" the men didn't seem to know about) were developed.
Women are having to go through significant stress, never mind substantial expenditure, to try to recover what they once had, which was summarily taken from them with no warning. And all the way in, men are insisting that women must obviously be forced to accept men in their spaces in case these men feel sad. How the women feel isn't something that needs to be considered.
Women felt unable to protest for fear of being put on a "naughty list", and a variety of subterfuges and coping strategies (involving "secret squirrel toilets" the men didn't seem to know about) were developed.
Women are having to go through significant stress, never mind substantial expenditure, to try to recover what they once had, which was summarily taken from them with no warning. And all the way in, men are insisting that women must obviously be forced to accept men in their spaces in case these men feel sad. How the women feel isn't something that needs to be considered.
Ziggurat
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And people wonder why some people are afraid of clowns….
Rolfe
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Here is the audio of that interview. He sounds completely sane, except for the things he says!
Ziggurat
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Wow.
"Being friendly with your dog maybe proves that I'm not as bad as everyone thinks I am." On the heels of a death threat, that's not exactly convincing. Bravo to Paddy for doing the interview and staying so calm throughout, but I couldn't even listen to that psycho for more than a couple minutes.
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Rolfe
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I didn't get very far with it either I have to say.
I mean, I'm sorry for the men who would have to cope with his presence in the men's facilities if justice were done and he were to be excluded from women's facilities. But the fact is that he is a man, and women should not be forced to accept him and his like in women's facilities on the basis that excluding him might make him, or indeed other affected men, sad. I'm sorry, but I think men are better able to look after themselves in the presence of homicidal maniacs than women are. I think women's feeling are a bit important too, not just the feelings of delusional men.
I mean, I'm sorry for the men who would have to cope with his presence in the men's facilities if justice were done and he were to be excluded from women's facilities. But the fact is that he is a man, and women should not be forced to accept him and his like in women's facilities on the basis that excluding him might make him, or indeed other affected men, sad. I'm sorry, but I think men are better able to look after themselves in the presence of homicidal maniacs than women are. I think women's feeling are a bit important too, not just the feelings of delusional men.
WilliamAB
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I couldn't listen all the way either. Too angered by knowing that he knows he can say those things now and no-one will do a thing.
smartcooky
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There is little doubt that this violent, perverted freak is a far bigger danger to women than to men - but women just need to suck it up and get with the program.... amirite?
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The employer is Leonardo, IIRC a defence engineering company which has claimed to be strongly supportive of women in engineering.
Having followed some of the tribunal on twitter, this looks like the start of a new trend where the aim is not simply a financial settlement but to put the managers who implemented the policy on the witness stand to be demolished through cross-examination.
Usually employment claims can be settled by making a large financial offer (which I suspect has already happened here) but in this case it looks as if it may need a complete apology and a renunciation of Stonewall-led policy.
Rolfe
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Indeed. The logic appears to be that there are some trans-identifying men who are shy fragile flowers, these "dolls" maybe, and they will be sad if they are denied the right to all the facilities set aside for women. We can't allow that, have you no empathy, for goodness sake just be kind! Therefore all men who claim a trans identity must be allowed anywhere they damn well please.
It goes further than that with many of the advocates, and we hear passionate declarations that no matter what a trans-identifying man has done, his trans identity remains sacred and it's just as unacceptable to treat him as a man as it would be any other "transwoman". That's explicit in the insistence that all these trans rapists and murderers must be referred to using feminine pronouns in court and in the media.
No man must be sad. Be kind! And any woman who expresses her feelings of discomfort, disgust, fear or indeed sadness, is an evil bigot.
Rolfe
Adult human female
I've seen people asking why NHS Fife hasn't caved. They've even implemented a policy that toilets and changing rooms are segregated by actual sex, recently. Lawyers are suggesting that they have tried, but Mrs Peggie won't agree to a settlement. She wants a judgment.
I've also seen hopes expressed that it goes to appeal (although I think it would be the health board who would have to appeal, I can't see Mrs Peggie losing in the first instance) as happened with Maya Forstater's case, and which made the ruling legally binding and a formal precedent.
smartcooky
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Yeah, @Rolfe has nailed it I think. Like the Sandie Peggie case, it looks like they aren't interested in any offers. They wan't a legal precedent-setting win in court, and given the Supreme Court decision, its hard to see them not getting it.
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