Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Thermal said:
but now transwomen are being grabbed by the throat and told "but not you, perv. We have different rules for your kind". That really doesn't feel right.
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The entire point is that transwomen are being told we *don't* have different rules for them. They're being told we have the exact same rules for them as for all other kinds of males.

So it's no surprise that your wrong characterization doesn't feel right to you. It doesn't feel right, because it's wrong. Wrong things aren't supposed to feel right. If you want to feel right, stop choosing to be wrong.
 
Thermal said:
Complaining about cherry picking is pretty rich, seeing as your side has literally nothing else.
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I never claimed that the examples I've provided are representative. But they are real, and verifiable.
Thermal said:
Trans people are people. I have no reason to broadly classify them as pervs.
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I have not done that. But there are pervs (or to be more precise, sexual predators) who claim to be trans, such as Richard Cox. And self-ID helps enable them. You can say he's not representative, and I don't dispute that. But again, he's real, and he's not the only one.
 
And still so far, no-one on the trans ally side has been able to explain or justify why women who don't want to share their spaces with males should be forced to do so just because transgender identified men don't want to share spaces with other males.
The only answer we get is tantamount to women should just suck it up, STFU and only speak when spoken to.
 
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Thermal said:
I asked where you were going with the dollification thing you wanted to talk about.
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The critique I've seen of "Protect the Dolls" as a slogan is not at all dissimilar to the critique of Andrea Long Chu's infamous ideas of embodied femininity as someone (of either sex) with "blank, blank eyes" ready to be used for someone else's pleasure. These aren't really two different problems, they are both about reducing womanhood to vacuous receptivity.
 
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d4m10n said:
The critique I've seen of "Protect the Dolls" as a slogan is not at all dissimilar to the critique of Andrea Long Chu's infamous ideas of embodied femininity as someone (of either sex) with "blank, blank eyes" ready to be used for someone else's pleasure. These aren't really two different problems, they are both about reducing womanhood to vacuous receptivity.
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Womanhood as a receptacle for manhood.
 
Interesting long tweet from a female law enforcement officer describing the change in attitudes over the past ten years or so to bury the relationship between transgender fetishism in men and sexual offending.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972215350935560620

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The discussion goes on to touch on how the adoption of a victim identity puts the person on a pedestal and confers a blanket pardon. They are no longer quite human, they are precious flowers who can do no wrong, and any criticism is now seen as further victimisation. Also that a criminal pathology has been not only repackaged as a victim status, but marketed as a trendy lifestyle choice supported by a $6 billion pa industry (or rather, supporting that industry).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972232919315013740
 
JK Rowling, having previously refrained from commenting on Emma Watson's attacks on her, has finally decided its time to give her a verbal verbal spanking... and its not before time!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972600904185483427

For those who cannot read X posts (and quite a few here have said they cannot, here is her statement. I have tried to find it in full elsewhere, but with no success...

I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.​
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I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.​
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Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.​
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However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.​
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When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.​
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The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.​
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Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?​
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I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.​
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The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.​
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Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.​

Emma Watson is still the over-privileged, self-entitled little brat she has always been. Nothing much has changed, except the possibility she is finally beginning to understand she has been backing the wrong horse all along.
 
Things that don’t happen has just happened in Australia.

www.theage.com.au

Trans inmate jailed for child sex abuse no danger to female prisoners, says lawyer

The child sex abuser is serving a minimum 2½ years behind bars for abusing a five-year-old girl. There are calls for the sentence to be served in a men’s prison.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au

“A trans inmate jailed in a women’s prison for child sexual assault is being kept in solitary confinement and is no danger to other prisoners, her lawyer has said.

Women’s rights advocates and the Victorian Liberals are calling for the transfer of Hilary Maloney, a court imposed pseudonym, to a men’s prison to serve the remainder of a 2½-year minimum term for abusing her five-year-old daughter and sending the videos to an overseas paedophile in 2023.”

The worst aspect about this case is not even the women’s prison part, it’s the 2.5 year term for sexual abuse of his 5 year old daughter. The term no doubt reduced because of this ◊◊◊◊’s trans identity.
 
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lionking said:
Things that don’t happen has just happened in Australia.

www.theage.com.au

Trans inmate jailed for child sex abuse no danger to female prisoners, says lawyer

The child sex abuser is serving a minimum 2½ years behind bars for abusing a five-year-old girl. There are calls for the sentence to be served in a men’s prison.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au

“A trans inmate jailed in a women’s prison for child sexual assault is being kept in solitary confinement and is no danger to other prisoners, her lawyer has said
Women’s rights advocates and the Victorian Liberals are calling for the transfer of Hilary Maloney, a court imposed pseudonym, to a men’s prison to serve the remainder of a 2½-year minimum term for abusing her five-year-old daughter and sending the videos to an overseas paedophile in 2023.”

The worst aspect about this case is not even the women’s prison part, it’s the 2.5 year term for sexual abuse of his 5 year old daughter. The term no doubt reduced because of this ◊◊◊◊’s trans identity.
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The obvious questions to ask here are
1. Is he in solitary confinement because he's a threat to others?
2. Why can't he be in a men's prison in solitary confinement?
3. Who is the pathetic ass-wipe judge who gave this pedophile only 2½ years for sexually abusing his 5 year old?
 
smartcooky said:
JK Rowling, having previously refrained from commenting on Emma Watson's attacks on her, has finally decided its time to give her a verbal verbal spanking... and its not before time!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972600904185483427

For those who cannot read X posts (and quite a few here have said they cannot, here is her statement. I have tried to find it in full elsewhere, but with no success...

I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.​
​
I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.​
​
Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.​
​
However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.​
​
When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.​
​
The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.​
​
Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?​
​
I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.​
​
The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.​
​
Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.​

Emma Watson is still the over-privileged, self-entitled little brat she has always been. Nothing much has changed, except the possibility she is finally beginning to understand she has been backing the wrong horse all along.
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I think this article came out before JKR decided to put the boot in, ever so elegantly.

 
smartcooky said:
Emma Watson is still the over-privileged, self-entitled little brat she has always been. Nothing much has changed, except the possibility she is finally beginning to understand she has been backing the wrong horse all along.
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I've been saying for quite some time now that there's a very strong class element to the whole trans movement. Rowling doesn't put it in quite those terms, but that's essentially what she was saying in her callout of Watson. Watson was never poor, and spent most of her life actually rich. And even though Rowling is now richer than royalty, as she pointed out herself, she was poor. So Rowling understands the impact that self-ID policies can have in a way that Watson seems totally oblivious to. Watson's advocacy is a textbook example of a luxury belief.
 
smartcooky said:
The obvious questions to ask here are
1. Is he in solitary confinement because he's a threat to others?
2. Why can't he be in a men's prison in solitary confinement?
3. Who is the pathetic ass-wipe judge who gave this pedophile only 2½ years for sexually abusing his 5 year old?
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People are of course asking these questions. But those answering them seem to be focussed entirely on finding excuses to allow the monster to have his identity validated. The judge was apparently persuaded that "his transition to being a woman reduced his moral cuplability." No, me neither.
 
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