Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

[I Am The Scum]

There is a certain irony in using the phrase "I just made that up" here, given that you just made this up.

Do you really think that the party that fabricates conspiracy theories about the "stolen election" arrives at the belief in Joe Biden's treason after a thorough investigation grounded in a desire for following the facts wherever they may lead?

Call it a reckless disregard for the truth instead of a willful misrepresentation of the facts, if that makes you feel any better. The point still stands.

 

[d4m10n]

His words say that Biden should be imprisoned for life or put to death because of his crimes.

You realize that we cannot simply catapult individuals (even guilty ones) into prison yards, right? There is a lot of paperwork which has to come first.

 

[Ziggurat]

Convenient, that. We all know why you aren't bringing up the right

And we all know why you aren't bringing up the left.

because they say way worse ◊◊◊◊ than the left does.

You actually believe this, don't you? But it's not true.

They've been calling the left evil for years.

Every single Republican president since Eisenhower has been called Hitler.

Hell, the guy who leads the GOP constantly calls the left evil and vilifies them as much as possible.

And the left routinely calls him evil and vilifies Trump as much as possible. Examples in this forum abound. But more than that, leftists actually tried to kill him, twice.

Are you OK with that? Not just the name calling, but the actual attempted assassination?

 

[d4m10n]

Do you really think that the party that fabricates conspiracy theories about the "stolen election" arrives at the belief in Joe Biden's treason after a thorough investigation grounded in a desire for following the facts wherever they may lead?

No, I think they simply accept the word of the Dear Leader.

 

[AmyStrange]

And the left routinely calls him evil and vilifies Trump as much as possible.

Because he is. Prove me wrong, and BTW, I'm not a dem.

 

[Disbelief]

You realize that we cannot simply catapult individuals (even guilty ones) into prison yards, right? There is a lot of paperwork which has to come first.

Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ, the king of semantics suddenly goes silent about what Kirk said. If you can't understand that there is a huge difference between Kirk saying Biden should be executed or saying that Biden should be tried, I can't ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ help you. With his statement, Kirk had already decided guilt and outcome, he did not say that the courts should do so.

 

[Ziggurat]

I have to ask. Do you honestly believe this? Do you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that the majority of violent rhetoric is coming from the left side of the political spectrum?

That's been my personal experience. Your personal experience may be different. But it's not just the rhetoric. After all, what's wrong with violent rhetoric? Supposedly, the problem with it is that it leads to actual violence, right?

So if we look at actual violence, where's it coming from? Is it mostly coming from the right? No, it's not.

There are multiple documented studies and reviews that show just the opposite

I very much doubt the quality of any such studies. That's the sort of measurement that's very, very easy to game.

For any objective observer

There are no objective observers.

I can't imagine living life being so dishonest to yourself let alone others.

Look in a mirror.

 

[Ziggurat]

Because he is.

Ah. So it's OK to call someone evil if they are evil, but not OK to call someone evil if they're not evil.

Is it OK to call someone a Nazi if they're not a Nazi?

Prove me wrong

Prove your definition of evil.

, and BTW, I'm not a dem.

So what?

 

[AmyStrange]

So if we look at actual violence, where's it coming from? Is it mostly coming from the right? No, it's not.

I don't care who the hell does the violence, right or left. They are their own party. The party of Extremist, murdering jackasses.

 

[AmyStrange]

Ah. So it's OK to call someone evil if they are evil, but not OK to call someone evil if they're not evil.

Is it OK to call someone a Nazi if they're not a Nazi?

Nope, but it's also not ok to use blanket statements to vilify one party over another (or anyone who disagrees with them) like the fat clown does every single freakin' day.

Anyone who does that, regardless of party, is evil.

 

[Disbelief]

That's been my personal experience. Your personal experience may be different. But it's not just the rhetoric. After all, what's wrong with violent rhetoric? Supposedly, the problem with it is that it leads to actual violence, right?

So if we look at actual violence, where's it coming from? Is it mostly coming from the right? No, it's not.

I very much doubt the quality of any such studies. That's the sort of measurement that's very, very easy to game.

There are no objective observers.

Look in a mirror.

Yes, don't believe the studies, just your own feelsies.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Scoff. Get out of the kiddie pool, the best saints' relics are body parts! Bones are the best because they last a long time even without being miraculous. Hair is not impressive, don't bother with hair. Limbs are good, the bigger the better. Do not try selling eyeballs as relics because even if the customer believes they're genuine they'll be too creeped out to want them. Skulls are the most impressive saint relic but suffer from the unfortunate limitation of one per customer unless you're a very good salesperson. Foreskins were big draws in the Middle Ages but would be seen as icky today, or risible. Finger bones are probably the safest bet because you can sell at least twenty to the same customer, or if you only sell them one they won't automatically realize they've been cheated when they hear about other people buying the same relic.

I was raised Catholic and my mother would be delighted I retained so much of the culture.

Best way to set up a relic business? Get yorself a confirmed relic and touch things to it. They become third class relics themselves.

 

[Ziggurat]

Nope, but it's also not ok to use blanket statements to vilify one party over another

You had no objection to d4m10n doing it. You only objected when I did it. Your outrage is selective.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yes, don't believe the studies, just your own feelsies.

What studies? And it's not my feelsies, it's my eyes. Damn straight I will believe my personal experience over a claim about a study that hasn't even been presented.

 

[AmyStrange]

You had no objection to d4m10n doing it. You only objected when I did it. Your outrage is selective.

Tell me which post that they did it in, and we'll see.

And BTW, I'm not outraged at anyone. I just hate blanket statements.

 

[AmyStrange]

What studies? And it's not my feelsies, it's my eyes. Damn straight I will believe my personal experience over a claim about a study that hasn't even been presented.

How many times has your "eyes" seen this, or do you just ignore anything else that doesn't confirm your bias?

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Utah County public defender Kathryn Nester has been appointed to defend Tyler Robinson. She’s quite experienced.

Experienced at actually defending or experienced at plea bargaining? In this case the latter may be better.

 

[plague311]

And we all know why you aren't bringing up the left.

Other than the multiple times I've mentioned the left? Not off to a good start.

You actually believe this, don't you? But it's not true.

Verifiably true, actually. Some of us in this thread have requested multiple times for us to compare actual politicians on the right to actual politicians on the left. Would you like to do that? We can.

Every single Republican president since Eisenhower has been called Hitler.

That's absolute ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ and we both know it, but I'll wait for your evidence.

And the left routinely calls him evil and vilifies Trump as much as possible. Examples in this forum abound. But more than that, leftists actually tried to kill him, twice.

Who tried to kill him? Which lefties were apart of that? Not just the ones that you claim are lefties, I mean actual lefties. Is this referring back to the magical healing ear? Bad news buddy, that guy wasn't a leftie. What was the second one?

Righties created a plan to kidnap the governor of Michigan. Righties planted improvised explosives outside the DNC in Washington. Righties tried to break into the senate chamber and kill senators. Righties went into Pelosi's office and were distraught that they missed her so they couldn't kill her themselves. Righties broke into a Dem State speakers house, shot and killed both her and her husband. Righties broke into Pelosi's house, when she wasn't there, and beat her husband with a hammer, and then the POTUS's son had a great laugh about it.

Ok, your turn. I'm not done but figured that's a good start.

Are you OK with that? Not just the name calling, but the actual attempted assassination?

I'm not ok with political violence on either side. The difference between you and me? I actually speak up no matter who it happens to.

Like I said, your turn.

 

[d4m10n]

With his statement, Kirk had already decided guilt and outcome, he did not say that the courts should do so.

Let me get this straight. You think Kirk was proposing a new extrajudicial process by which an individual would be inducted into a federal prison and then perhaps moved to death row?

That strikes me as beyond bizarre. Whenever I hear someone say "That guy should be in prison!" I assume they are invoking the usual process unless they explicitly say otherwise.

 

[Disbelief]

What studies? And it's not my feelsies, it's my eyes. Damn straight I will believe my personal experience over a claim about a study that hasn't even been presented.

The study that was deleted by DOJ. You have obviously had your eyes closed, since the first half of this year os the first time left wing political violence has outpaced right wing in 30 years.

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/28/left-wing-terrorism-far-right-violence-research

By the numbers: CSIS researchers compiled and analyzed a data set of 750 domestic attacks and plots from Jan. 1, 1994, to July 4, 2025, categorizing them into "right," "left," "jihadist," "ethnonationalist" and "other."

• The data showed that left-wing extremists have carried out 41 attacks since 2016, compared with 152 from the far right over the same period.
• Left-wing violence has killed 13 people over the past decade — far fewer than the 112 deaths from right-wing attacks and 82 from jihadists.
• But at least five left-wing plots or attacks have already been recorded this year, compared to just one right-wing attack.