Merged Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University event. / Charlie Kirk Shot And Killed

Ziggurat said:
Once Dems started adopting the Nazi and fascist rhetoric for their political opponents, it was just a matter of time until someone on the left actually killed one of these people accused of being a Nazi fascist.
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The common elements of fascism from the 30s until today are extreme nationalism ("America First!"), scapegoating and demonization of marginal groups ("Mass Deportation Now!"), militarism and violence (e.g. deploying troops to pacify cities), rejection of liberal norms in favor of executive power (too many examples to mention), and a narrative of national rebirth ("Make America Great Again").

You don't exactly need to ace the daily news quiz to see the commonalities here.
 
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d4m10n said:
First off it's "y'all" and secondly I claimed precisely the opposite upthread.
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Not in North Dakota it isn't. It might be in the South, but it's slang either way. If you're now implying that he inflames anger then why is it odd at all think that he would advocate for the murder of Biden when he did so in his own words? Taken along with his comments about gays being stoned to death as God's perfect law and it paints a pretty clear picture of it not being out of the ordinary for Kirk to call for the death of those he doesn't agree with, right? He's done it on at least 2 occasions brought up in this thread, and I'd bet we could find more.
Ziggurat said:
She also said her grandson didn't do it. Why on earth would you believe her? And I'm not even saying she's lying. She might really believe that he's innocent, and that he's conservative. But both those beliefs, both of those claims, should be treated with similar weight.

His mother, on the other hand, told investigators that he had become politically leftist. And she's not in denial about his guilt. Why do you believe the grandmother and not the mother? For the same reason the grandmother doesn't think he's guilty: it's what you want to believe.
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That article said that the son started leaning left too, but without context (which appears only to be important to you guys sporadically) it's hard to tell what that means. She says he had pro-gay and trans views, which isn't only a feature of the left, is it? She doesn't say he supports universal healthcare, or gun control, or is anti-ice, or anything more. She just says he had started "leaning left", he had pro-gay/trans views, and he argued with his father about those pro-gay\trans views. Is that all it takes to be leftist? One view? Do the log cabin Republicans know that? Jenner?
 
plague311 said:
If you're now implying that he inflames anger then why is it odd at all think that he would advocate for the murder of Biden when he did so in his own words?
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Kirk called for a process which would result in imprisonment and (possibly) execution.

This is precisely what I'd expect people to call for if they sincerely believe Trump's claims about Biden's treasonous crimes against America.
 
d4m10n said:
The common elements of fascism from the 30s until today are extreme nationalism ("America First!"), scapegoating and demonization of marginal groups ("Mass Deportation Now!"), militarism and violence (e.g. deploying troops to pacify cities), rejection of liberal norms in favor of executive power (too many examples to mention), and a narrative of national rebirth ("Make America Great Again").

You don't exactly need to ace the daily news quiz to see the commonalities here.
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He re-interated his plan to use the military domestically again in his "address" to the gathered generals again yesterday.
 
d4m10n said:
Kirk called for a process which would result in imprisonment and (possibly) execution.

This is precisely what I'd expect people to call for if they sincerely believe Trump's claims about Biden's treasonous crimes against America.
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You still think he actually believed it.
 
d4m10n said:
Kirk called for a process which would result in imprisonment and (possibly) execution.

This is precisely what I'd expect people to call for if they sincerely believe Trump's claims about Biden's treasonous crimes against America.
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No he didn't, he said Biden should be in prison or put to death for his (unnamed) crimes. That's far different than calling for him to be tried for treason.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Whether or not I want to believe it, that's still where the evidence, the actual evidence, points. I'm not the one picking an un-credible witness over a credible one.
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The "actual" evidence would be if it came from Tyler's mouth and not hearsay.

Like I said, good luck with that and also have a nice, wonderful day.
 
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Ziggurat said:
It is different. Whether or not it's acceptable is another matter, one which I'm not arguing here. Why is it different? An ordinary citizen cannot enact a death penalty. A death penalty is the end result of a judicial process, which not only requires a lot of participants, it requires rather specific participants. Even if I wanted Joe Biden to be executed for treason (I don't), there's nothing that I, as an individual private citizen, could really do to make that happen. The most I could ever do, even if I were so inclined, is vote for politicians who might appoint judges and prosecutors more inclined to pursue such a process. But good luck with that.

But an assassination? Murder? Anyone can do that, on their own.

Remember the term "stochastic terrorism"? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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Yup, but innocent people are still executed.
 
d4m10n said:
Kirk called for a process which would result in imprisonment and (possibly) execution.

This is precisely what I'd expect people to call for if they sincerely believe Trump's claims about Biden's treasonous crimes against America.
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My biggest problem with Kirk is that he used the bible to justify his warped beliefs. A book "supposedly" telepathically sent to a bunch of dirty old men who wanted to subjugate women.

Anyone who uses any bible to excuse their hatred is a jackass, but that's just my opinion.

Your mileage may vary of course.
 
AmyStrange said:
Anyone who uses any bible to excuse their hatred is a jackass, but that's just my opinion.
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Every holy book from the Abrahamic tradition justifies hatred against outgroup members.
Disbelief said:
he said Biden should be in prison or put to death for his (unnamed) crimes.
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Crimes against whom? If the purported victim was the nation itself and the punishments mentioned are the punishments for treason, I don't see how we can reasonably conclude Kirk was thinking of anything other than treason.
 
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d4m10n said:
Every holy book from the Abrahamic tradition justifies hatred against outgroup members.

Crimes against whom? If the purported victim was the nation itself and the punishments mentioned are the punishments for treason, I don't see how we can reasonably conclude Kirk was thinking of anything other than treason.
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That doesn't make it right.

ETA: What's weird is that just about every religion has the Golden Rule as one of its basic tenets, and yet, many stupid, religious idiots ignore that part and still hate.

Hell, even Jesus said the second most important commandment was that rule.
 
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I Am The Scum said:
It's a contraction of "you all." The apostrophe goes where the missing letters used to be. It's why we spell it don't instead of do'nt or d'ont.
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I won't argue, it's the way we've always spelled it and, at 44, I don't see myself remembering to change it now, but I'll take your word for it. Not a hill I'm really willing to die on.

If I'm being honest, it doesn't really make sense to me either way. "Don't" is using all of the first word 'do' and shortening the second word 'not'. "Y'all" is shortening the first word and using all of the second word. That's why I don't teach English. I'm just an old dummy getting by.
 
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